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Can Science--empirical science--provide an explanation for your spiritual experiences?
Hi Ray, No, nothing explains it completely.

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Or, can empirical science serve as a foundation for Religion--or any deeper understanding of the meaning of life for you?

If we look at natural human experience there is one science that has and does offer reasonable data to some difficult questions, Medical Science. It appears that when brain function is impaired like in the Stroke/ blood clot Dr J.B Taylor or an NDE, one is freed from the illusion the mind creates for us and so leaves exposed experience of our 'Ground of 'Being' This can be achieved in a far simpler way by focusing the mind and this quietens it down and after a lot of practice one can get very good at it. The 'experience' of the 'Ground of Being' does not limit us at all it is similar to having cleared out the cache of unused programs, temp files, cookies, etc from your computer it can run faster, etc. Its all good stuff.
But in recent years it has been noted that Cancer suffers stay healthier and fight the disease better if they are happy. Some people can be severely depressed by the diagnoses and so don't do so well in remission. Some doctors have set up treatment for these people, it involves Psilocybin. Now I don't like drug use, because of the addiction our mind can build for these things and it only takes a small amount of time every day practicing, to just focus the mind to stillness, so one can access it at will, not only when one takes a drug. but we have to practice it everyday.
Anyway here are 2 interviews with Cancer Patients who had been on the course about the experience and its effects on their lives and attitudes. It warms me to see that these poor people have found the ground of being and so be happy in there lives. Here are the links

[www.youtube.com] interview with Johns Hopkins Cancer project 2

[www.youtube.com] interview with Johns Hopkins Cancer project 2

"The whole world is a marketplace for Love,
For naught that is, from Love remains remote.
The Eternal Wisdom made all things in Love.
On Love they all depend, to Love all turn.
The earth, the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars
The center of their orbit find in Love.
By Love are all bewildered, stupefied,
Intoxicated by the Wine of Love.

From each, Love demands a mystic silence.
What do all seek so earnestly?  "Tis Love.
Love is the subject of their inmost thoughts,
In Love no longer "Thou" and "I" exist,
For self has passed away in the Beloved.
Now will I draw aside the veil from Love,
And in the temple of mine inmost soul
Behold the Friend,  Incomparable Love.
He who would know the secret of both worlds
Will find that the secret of them both is Love." Farid ud Din Attar

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1504 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 111 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 104 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 117 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 101 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 123 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 115 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 104 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 101 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 99 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 91 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 96 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 110 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 104 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 93 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 111 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 106 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 123 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 95 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 88 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 91 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 85 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 83 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 86 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 104 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 99 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 120 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 86 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 97 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 96 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 116 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 101 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 104 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 94 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 90 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 93 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 93 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 107 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 99 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 105 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 86 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 103 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 84 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 95 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 87 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 94 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 120 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 87 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 99 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 98 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 104 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 91 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 91 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 105 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 101 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 102 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 104 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 104 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 114 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 102 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 125 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 122 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 96 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 109 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 99 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 91 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 106 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 86 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 104 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 87 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 83 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 87 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 117 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 102 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 102 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 90 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 102 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 91 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 91 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 93 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 92 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 90 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 74 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 86 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 81 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 81 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 80 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 85 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 88 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 82 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 84 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 92 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 95 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 96 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 109 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 96 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 120 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 94 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 95 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 104 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 110 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 90 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 82 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 96 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 97 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 102 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 81 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 82 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 81 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 89 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 85 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 92 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 87 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 92 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 84 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 139 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 83 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 69 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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