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Can Science--empirical science--provide an explanation for your spiritual experiences?
Hi Ray, No, nothing explains it completely.

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Or, can empirical science serve as a foundation for Religion--or any deeper understanding of the meaning of life for you?

If we look at natural human experience there is one science that has and does offer reasonable data to some difficult questions, Medical Science. It appears that when brain function is impaired like in the Stroke/ blood clot Dr J.B Taylor or an NDE, one is freed from the illusion the mind creates for us and so leaves exposed experience of our 'Ground of 'Being' This can be achieved in a far simpler way by focusing the mind and this quietens it down and after a lot of practice one can get very good at it. The 'experience' of the 'Ground of Being' does not limit us at all it is similar to having cleared out the cache of unused programs, temp files, cookies, etc from your computer it can run faster, etc. Its all good stuff.
But in recent years it has been noted that Cancer suffers stay healthier and fight the disease better if they are happy. Some people can be severely depressed by the diagnoses and so don't do so well in remission. Some doctors have set up treatment for these people, it involves Psilocybin. Now I don't like drug use, because of the addiction our mind can build for these things and it only takes a small amount of time every day practicing, to just focus the mind to stillness, so one can access it at will, not only when one takes a drug. but we have to practice it everyday.
Anyway here are 2 interviews with Cancer Patients who had been on the course about the experience and its effects on their lives and attitudes. It warms me to see that these poor people have found the ground of being and so be happy in there lives. Here are the links

[www.youtube.com] interview with Johns Hopkins Cancer project 2

[www.youtube.com] interview with Johns Hopkins Cancer project 2

"The whole world is a marketplace for Love,
For naught that is, from Love remains remote.
The Eternal Wisdom made all things in Love.
On Love they all depend, to Love all turn.
The earth, the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars
The center of their orbit find in Love.
By Love are all bewildered, stupefied,
Intoxicated by the Wine of Love.

From each, Love demands a mystic silence.
What do all seek so earnestly?  "Tis Love.
Love is the subject of their inmost thoughts,
In Love no longer "Thou" and "I" exist,
For self has passed away in the Beloved.
Now will I draw aside the veil from Love,
And in the temple of mine inmost soul
Behold the Friend,  Incomparable Love.
He who would know the secret of both worlds
Will find that the secret of them both is Love." Farid ud Din Attar

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1368 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 73 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 70 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 69 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 63 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 73 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 73 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 62 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 57 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 60 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 61 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 61 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 63 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 69 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 63 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 70 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 58 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 51 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 52 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 50 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 49 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 50 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 57 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 62 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 58 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 51 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 58 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 57 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 54 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 56 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 57 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 61 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 57 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 48 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 47 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 49 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 52 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 54 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 61 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 67 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 53 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 55 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 65 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 57 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 68 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 64 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 69 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 74 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 67 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 75 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 66 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 64 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 60 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 60 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 59 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 53 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 55 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 60 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 52 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 51 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 52 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 63 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 59 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 55 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 57 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 62 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 51 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 53 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 50 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 53 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 53 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 44 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 49 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 46 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 49 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 48 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 52 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 52 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 47 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 55 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 59 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 50 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 59 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 60 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 63 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 65 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 61 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 61 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 59 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 64 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 50 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 50 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 58 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 48 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 51 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 47 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 45 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 47 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 52 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 54 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 59 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 56 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 58 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 48 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 73 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 49 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 40 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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