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The Sutras are highly structured step by step meditative activities that, in their higher form, require one to work closely with a "semi-divine" master. Ascetic Christianity is much more pessimistic about one's ability to follow the steps--even with a master--so it requires more severe activities.

Science is skeptical of both approaches. So am I.

Ray

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1629 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 146 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 136 PB Bytes 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 154 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 135 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 156 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 149 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 137 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 138 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 121 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 129 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 142 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 140 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 125 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 147 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 140 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 155 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 129 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 121 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 125 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 120 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 118 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 120 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 138 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 134 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 153 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 118 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 131 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 149 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 137 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 141 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 126 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 122 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 127 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 129 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 138 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 132 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 137 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 119 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 136 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 120 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 127 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 124 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 125 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 152 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 126 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 132 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 137 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 133 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 125 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 137 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 135 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 136 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 137 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 139 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 152 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 137 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 164 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 156 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 130 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 143 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 132 PB Bytes 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 127 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 136 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 120 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 136 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 120 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 118 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 121 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 148 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 138 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 136 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 125 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 135 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 127 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 125 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 128 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 128 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 124 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 109 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 117 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 115 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 118 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 110 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 120 PB Bytes 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 124 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 118 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 121 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 125 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 130 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 131 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 144 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 130 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 155 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 126 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 131 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 137 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 153 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 127 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 116 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 140 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 128 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 148 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 116 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 119 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 114 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 124 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 120 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 128 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 123 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 126 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 118 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 208 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 121 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 101 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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