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“There is a fact, or if you wish, a law, governing all natural phenomena that are known to date. There is no known exception to this law – it is exact so far as we know. The law is called the conservation of energy. It states that there is a certain quantity, which we call energy, that does not change in manifold changes which nature undergoes. That is a most abstract idea, because it is a mathematical principle; it says that there is a numerical quantity which does not change when something happens. It is not a description of a mechanism, or anything concrete; it is just a strange fact that we can calculate some number and when we finish watching nature go through her tricks and calculate the number again, it is the same.

— The Feynman Lectures on Physics”

From [en.m.wikipedia.org]

Hello Susan, Ray, Justin, Descartes “I think therefore I am” represents a perception of an irreducible activity of mind, I.e., the energy of thinking. As per the quote from Feynman above, this is completely in line with contemporary physics. Thinking is an activity, it is energy doing stuff, again thinking. We think, we apply our thinking to the analysis of stuff “out there”. Matter.

Even though many philosophers and scientists think there is some way to make energy and matter equivalent, they just can’t. Understanding the world as energy and matter is what we call physics or physical reality. Descartes fits right in with this modern viewpoint as energy cannot be reduced to matter, nor matter to energy. When we say that ‘thinking’ is part of our homo sapient brains, we are saying that our brains are composed of matter and energy. And thinking is the result.

From a physicist perspective, we cannot rule out dualism. Matter and energy are simply the basis of the world we can think and know. IMO, of course.

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1368 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 72 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 68 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 68 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 62 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 72 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 72 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 60 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 57 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 56 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 58 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 60 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 60 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 62 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 68 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 61 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 69 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 57 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 50 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 50 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 49 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 48 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 49 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 56 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 61 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 57 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 50 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 58 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 56 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 60 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 59 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 56 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 53 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 55 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 56 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 59 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 56 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 47 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 46 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 48 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 51 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 52 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 60 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 66 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 52 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 54 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 62 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 57 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 58 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 62 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 55 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 66 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 63 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 67 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 72 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 65 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 74 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 65 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 63 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 59 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 59 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 57 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 52 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 54 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 59 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 50 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 50 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 51 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 62 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 58 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 54 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 56 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 61 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 50 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 52 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 48 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 52 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 50 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 42 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 48 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 45 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 48 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 47 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 50 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 48 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 46 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 53 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 57 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 49 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 58 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 57 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 62 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 64 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 60 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 59 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 58 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 62 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 48 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 48 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 56 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 47 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 50 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 46 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 44 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 45 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 50 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 52 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 58 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 54 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 54 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 46 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 71 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 48 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 39 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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