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Ray opined
Mixing ideas and impressions with empirical science is toxic.

Not in my book Ray. I think you are letting Susan dominate your thinking. Do not do it!

Do you know who George Gilder is? In his newsletter today, he was talking about the rise in Christianity in China. I am not an expert here but you can take s look at “A Star in the East” by Wang and Stark. That is Rodney Stark and Xiuhua Wang. I will be +checking it out.

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1623 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 145 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 135 PB Bytes 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 152 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 134 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 156 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 146 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 137 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 138 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 121 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 128 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 141 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 138 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 123 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 147 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 139 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 154 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 128 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 121 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 125 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 120 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 116 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 119 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 136 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 133 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 153 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 118 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 129 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 149 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 135 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 140 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 126 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 122 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 126 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 128 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 137 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 132 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 136 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 118 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 135 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 118 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 126 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 121 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 125 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 152 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 125 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 131 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 132 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 136 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 131 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 125 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 135 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 135 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 135 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 136 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 139 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 151 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 136 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 163 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 154 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 128 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 142 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 130 PB Bytes 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 126 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 135 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 118 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 135 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 118 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 116 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 120 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 148 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 137 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 136 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 123 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 134 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 125 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 124 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 127 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 127 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 122 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 108 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 116 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 113 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 116 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 109 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 118 PB Bytes 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 122 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 116 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 119 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 124 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 129 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 129 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 142 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 128 PB Bytes 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 153 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 125 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 129 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 137 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 152 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 125 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 115 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 138 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 128 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 147 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 115 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 118 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 113 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 122 PB Bytes 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 118 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 126 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 121 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 125 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 115 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 205 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 119 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 100 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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