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I understand, but from a philosophical perspective, we always go back to meaning. Meaning to the individual; it is the pearl of great price. You can’t IMO get around it Ray.

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1504 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 111 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 104 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 117 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 101 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 123 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 115 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 105 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 101 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 99 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 91 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 96 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 110 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 104 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 93 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 111 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 106 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 123 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 95 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 88 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 91 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 85 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 83 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 86 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 104 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 99 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 120 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 86 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 97 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 96 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 116 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 101 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 104 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 94 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 90 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 93 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 93 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 107 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 99 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 105 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 86 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 103 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 84 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 95 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 87 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 94 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 120 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 87 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 99 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 98 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 104 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 91 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 91 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 105 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 101 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 102 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 104 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 104 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 114 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 102 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 125 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 122 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 96 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 109 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 99 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 91 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 106 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 86 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 104 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 87 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 83 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 87 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 117 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 102 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 102 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 90 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 102 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 91 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 91 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 93 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 92 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 90 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 74 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 86 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 81 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 81 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 80 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 85 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 88 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 82 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 84 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 92 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 95 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 96 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 109 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 96 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 120 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 94 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 95 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 104 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 110 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 90 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 83 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 96 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 97 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 102 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 81 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 82 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 81 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 89 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 85 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 92 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 87 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 92 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 84 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 139 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 83 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 69 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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