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Can Science--empirical science--provide an explanation for your spiritual experiences? Or, can empirical science serve as a foundation for Religion--or any deeper understanding of the meaning of life for you?

Any scientist will answer those questions with a quick, "no." Empirical science can't provide a satisfactory explanation for spiritual experiences, because spiritual experiences cannot be studied directly at all with the most powerful scientific methods, and only indirectly with less powerful methods.

Even if empirical science could provide a glimpse of an explanation, it would serve as a very poor foundation for either a religion or an explanation of the meaning (or meaninglessness) of human life: the scientific answers are intermittently changing in unexpected way. See Kuhn:

[www.theguardian.com]

What if we disregard empirical science, and revert to visions of science, expressed in philosophical terms?

There are three evidence-based theories of science that have offered the visions of experience that empirical science can't provide: Descartes mind-body dualism, Darwin's biological theory of evolution, and the big bang extension of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

Descartes mind-body dualism allows for psychic and physical forces influencing human behavior. It's most prominent in the modern study of consciousness:

[www.youtube.com]

Descartes (Sheldrake): [www.youtube.com]

Descartes (Chomsky): [www.youtube.com]

Darwin's biological theory of evolution has been the most over-extended into theory, almost becoming a materialistic theory of science, recently critiqued by Rupert Sheldrake:

[www.youtube.com]

Einstein's general theory of relativity has led to some really fascinating rethinking of quantum mechanics:

[www.youtube.com]

Do you accept these philosophy of science theories as a sufficient explanation for your own spiritual experiences?

Why or why not?

Ray



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01-Sep-19 22:27 by drrayeye.

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1459 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 98 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 92 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 102 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 87 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 105 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 103 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 91 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 87 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 87 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 79 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 85 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 95 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 91 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 84 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 96 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 91 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 105 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 83 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 77 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 79 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 73 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 72 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 76 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 89 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 87 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 99 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 75 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 83 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 83 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 99 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 89 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 92 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 82 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 77 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 80 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 81 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 90 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 89 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 89 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 72 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 79 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 72 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 84 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 77 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 83 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 100 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 74 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 83 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 86 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 92 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 82 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 80 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 91 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 86 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 91 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 92 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 91 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 104 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 90 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 107 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 100 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 86 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 89 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 85 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 80 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 86 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 77 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 91 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 76 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 73 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 76 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 99 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 90 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 86 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 79 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 89 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 79 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 79 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 82 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 81 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 77 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 66 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 72 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 71 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 71 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 70 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 73 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 79 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 72 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 75 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 82 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 80 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 83 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 91 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 86 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 98 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 82 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 86 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 90 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 99 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 76 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 73 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 84 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 82 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 86 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 71 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 69 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 70 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 76 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 77 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 81 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 78 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 82 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 73 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 114 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 72 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 60 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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