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Can Science--empirical science--provide an explanation for your spiritual experiences? Or, can empirical science serve as a foundation for Religion--or any deeper understanding of the meaning of life for you?

Any scientist will answer those questions with a quick, "no." Empirical science can't provide a satisfactory explanation for spiritual experiences, because spiritual experiences cannot be studied directly at all with the most powerful scientific methods, and only indirectly with less powerful methods.

Even if empirical science could provide a glimpse of an explanation, it would serve as a very poor foundation for either a religion or an explanation of the meaning (or meaninglessness) of human life: the scientific answers are intermittently changing in unexpected way. See Kuhn:

[www.theguardian.com]

What if we disregard empirical science, and revert to visions of science, expressed in philosophical terms?

There are three evidence-based theories of science that have offered the visions of experience that empirical science can't provide: Descartes mind-body dualism, Darwin's biological theory of evolution, and the big bang extension of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

Descartes mind-body dualism allows for psychic and physical forces influencing human behavior. It's most prominent in the modern study of consciousness:

[www.youtube.com]

Descartes (Sheldrake): [www.youtube.com]

Descartes (Chomsky): [www.youtube.com]

Darwin's biological theory of evolution has been the most over-extended into theory, almost becoming a materialistic theory of science, recently critiqued by Rupert Sheldrake:

[www.youtube.com]

Einstein's general theory of relativity has led to some really fascinating rethinking of quantum mechanics:

[www.youtube.com]

Do you accept these philosophy of science theories as a sufficient explanation for your own spiritual experiences?

Why or why not?

Ray



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01-Sep-19 22:27 by drrayeye.

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1380 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 79 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 74 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 76 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 69 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 77 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 80 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 69 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 68 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 62 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 65 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 67 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 68 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 68 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 75 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 68 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 75 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 62 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 58 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 56 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 55 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 55 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 56 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 61 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 66 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 64 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 56 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 66 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 69 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 69 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 69 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 64 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 61 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 60 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 60 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 62 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 67 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 61 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 53 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 50 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 55 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 56 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 58 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 65 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 72 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 58 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 59 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 69 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 72 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 62 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 63 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 69 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 60 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 73 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 70 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 75 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 79 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 71 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 79 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 72 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 69 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 64 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 66 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 62 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 58 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 59 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 64 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 56 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 56 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 59 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 69 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 64 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 59 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 61 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 65 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 55 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 58 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 56 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 58 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 57 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 47 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 54 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 53 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 54 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 53 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 55 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 56 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 54 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 58 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 63 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 55 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 65 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 64 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 68 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 70 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 66 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 66 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 64 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 70 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 56 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 55 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 63 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 54 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 59 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 55 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 51 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 52 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 59 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 59 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 64 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 61 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 63 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 54 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 80 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 55 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 45 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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