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Can Science--empirical science--provide an explanation for your spiritual experiences? Or, can empirical science serve as a foundation for Religion--or any deeper understanding of the meaning of life for you?

Any scientist will answer those questions with a quick, "no." Empirical science can't provide a satisfactory explanation for spiritual experiences, because spiritual experiences cannot be studied directly at all with the most powerful scientific methods, and only indirectly with less powerful methods.

Even if empirical science could provide a glimpse of an explanation, it would serve as a very poor foundation for either a religion or an explanation of the meaning (or meaninglessness) of human life: the scientific answers are intermittently changing in unexpected way. See Kuhn:

[www.theguardian.com]

What if we disregard empirical science, and revert to visions of science, expressed in philosophical terms?

There are three evidence-based theories of science that have offered the visions of experience that empirical science can't provide: Descartes mind-body dualism, Darwin's biological theory of evolution, and the big bang extension of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

Descartes mind-body dualism allows for psychic and physical forces influencing human behavior. It's most prominent in the modern study of consciousness:

[www.youtube.com]

Descartes (Sheldrake): [www.youtube.com]

Descartes (Chomsky): [www.youtube.com]

Darwin's biological theory of evolution has been the most over-extended into theory, almost becoming a materialistic theory of science, recently critiqued by Rupert Sheldrake:

[www.youtube.com]

Einstein's general theory of relativity has led to some really fascinating rethinking of quantum mechanics:

[www.youtube.com]

Do you accept these philosophy of science theories as a sufficient explanation for your own spiritual experiences?

Why or why not?

Ray



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01-Sep-19 22:27 by drrayeye.

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Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 1598 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 19:46
Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 134 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 13:28
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 126 Poster Boy 30-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 143 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 17:29
Re: Is there such a thing as Spiritual Blindness? 124 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 19:12
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 146 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 14:53
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 138 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 15:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 128 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 20:30
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 127 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 123 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:10
Empirical science and spiritual experiences 111 drrayeye 30-Aug-19 23:59
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 118 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 00:09
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 133 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 00:40
Spirituality is one's whole inner and outer character; there is no division.... 129 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:32
The Christian alternative: asceticism 113 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:49
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 135 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 01:55
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 130 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:14
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 146 Itatw70s 31-Aug-19 20:53
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 119 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 23:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 111 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 18:08
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 116 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 19:03
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 109 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:39
This thread is about science 107 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:08
Re: This thread is about science 109 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:31
Re: The Christian alternative: asceticism 127 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:01
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 123 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 01:45
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 142 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 02:18
Re: Empirical science and spiritual experiences 109 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:29
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 122 Jrevans 31-Aug-19 01:02
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 119 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:44
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 140 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 01:25
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 124 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 01:37
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 128 jazzmumbles 31-Aug-19 02:42
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 117 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 02:58
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 113 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 20:31
NOPE 118 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 22:47
Re: NOPE 117 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 20:59
Science is not a threat 128 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 21:11
Re: Science is not a threat 121 Itatw70s 02-Sep-19 21:37
Re: Science is not a threat 128 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 03:00
Re: Science is not a threat 110 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 06:04
Re: Science is not a threat 126 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 07:31
Re: Science is not a threat 108 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 07:47
Of course 117 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:05
Re: Of course 112 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 10:14
Re: Of course 115 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 11:40
Just Passing Through 142 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 12:54
"There is nowhere where there is not God".... 116 Itatw70s 03-Sep-19 22:17
Agreed 123 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 23:58
philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 122 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 11:54
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 128 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 15:09
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 119 Eddie Larry 31-Aug-19 15:56
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 115 Susan Doris 31-Aug-19 17:51
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 126 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:49
Thought experimentation is the key.... 124 Itatw70s 01-Sep-19 21:03
From Descartes to the present 127 drrayeye 31-Aug-19 18:20
Re: From Descartes to the present 127 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 05:12
You can lead a horse to water . . . 126 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 06:20
Re: philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 140 jazzmumbles 02-Sep-19 00:18
Nah 126 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:48
No not an extra you are the star. 155 grangram 03-Sep-19 07:39
Sorry 144 drrayeye 03-Sep-19 08:44
I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 120 grangram 04-Sep-19 08:02
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 133 drrayeye 04-Sep-19 13:15
Re: I don't think Dawkins likes the theory? 122 Poster Boy 04-Sep-19 19:44
The greatest cult of all... 116 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 21:08
Re: The greatest cult of all... 126 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 22:55
Re: The greatest cult of all... 109 Eddie Larry 04-Sep-19 23:01
Re: The greatest cult of all... 127 Itatw70s 04-Sep-19 23:05
Re: The greatest cult of all... 110 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 02:16
Human imagination 107 grangram 05-Sep-19 10:00
Re: Human imagination 111 Eddie Larry 05-Sep-19 19:34
The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 138 grangram 05-Sep-19 08:29
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 128 Itatw70s 05-Sep-19 11:41
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 126 grangram 05-Sep-19 11:57
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 115 Susan Doris 05-Sep-19 12:18
Lazy Lazy Lazy 125 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 16:12
Re: Lazy Lazy Lazy 116 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:01
The links are there 115 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:06
Re: The links are there 118 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:21
Re: The links are there 116 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 12:51
Re: The links are there 114 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 16:07
Further thoughts 98 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 17:56
Re: The links are there 107 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 12:40
Re: The links are there 105 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 16:26
Re: The links are there 106 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 18:12
One of the things I've learned 100 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 19:19
Re: One of the things I've learned 110 Poster Boy 06-Sep-19 19:47
Re: One of the things I've learned 113 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 05:26
Dr. Sam 108 drrayeye 07-Sep-19 06:35
Re: Dr. Sam 108 Susan Doris 07-Sep-19 07:01
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 115 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:15
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 121 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:05
Re: The better question may be to question the nature of reality itself. 121 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 20:13
Strongly disagree 133 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 21:09
Re: Strongly disagree 118 Poster Boy 05-Sep-19 21:28
The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 144 drrayeye 05-Sep-19 20:28
Re: The visual field (brain) and the visual world (mind) 116 Susan Doris 06-Sep-19 05:12
I did 120 drrayeye 06-Sep-19 07:20
Thanks 128 grangram 06-Sep-19 08:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 141 jazzmumbles 07-Sep-19 22:14
Re: No not an extra you are the star. 117 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:26
Re: Empirical science, philosophy of science--and spiritual experiences 107 grangram 11-Sep-19 20:12
medical science is an oxymoron 125 drrayeye 11-Sep-19 21:41
Thank God for plumbers and electricians 119 grangram 13-Sep-19 07:38
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 138 Susan Doris 13-Sep-19 10:30
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 106 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 16:09
Re: Thank God for plumbers and electricians 107 Eddie Larry 13-Sep-19 17:48
medicine vs. science 105 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 17:52
Re: medicine vs. science 114 Poster Boy 13-Sep-19 18:19
A critical distinction 109 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 19:50
Save a prayer for the scientist 117 drrayeye 13-Sep-19 11:03
James 2:14 111 grangram 14-Sep-19 11:34
Re: James 2:14 116 drrayeye 14-Sep-19 15:24
Pence's health care 107 grangram 15-Sep-19 22:18
Second Timothy 2: 15 189 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:32
Re: James 2:14 107 Glass Jigsaw 15-Sep-19 20:26
It's always different 89 drrayeye 16-Sep-19 00:17


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