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Why can't religion and science both be right?

Here's Susan's question:

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A general question: What in fact is right about religion(s)?

And another: What is wrong, in general, about Science?[quote
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Here's James's response:

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I like these questions! As far as religion in general, it tries to make people be better than they have been through their lives. Most all try and encourage people to do more good than bad. But there's a lot of bad that come from religion, also. People can take their beliefs and persecute others that don't believe the way that they do. Religion is something is believed by people about good and evil and even mother nature and yes, even science. Christianity is the only one that states that our good doesn't outweigh the bad we've done. Only Jesus, who died for his creation, can judge and erase our sins.

Science is an awesome thing in many ways! I love chemistry and combining things and causing reactions. There are many things that have been proven and I think that it's awesome. However, there are many things that science considers absolutely factual and they are theories, which aren't proven. It's almost as if the theories are the best that we can come up until someone disproves it. And until then, it's the law. Science isn't supposed to be that way... I may sound a little bit hypocritical, but that's supposed to be more like religion and faith. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. Science is supposed to be factual and proven by set rules over and over again by whoever might recreate the same experiment.

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My response:

Religion (right): Almost everything about Religion is right as long as it is personal; Religion becomes unavoidably wrong when it becomes political.

I believe that every spiritual person develops a personal Epistemology--a sense of meaning and purpose in one's life. That epistemology is very likely to be expressed through a religious practice that forces us to consider the political side. That's where the rubber hits the road.

Science (wrong): Almost everything about science is wrong when it is misapplied or misunderstood--and that's almost inevitable. A strong foundation is required to even know what science is--and there are many limitations on how it can be applied.

To unite my answers to Susan's questions: personalization of religion is good; attempting to explain Religion with science is bad.

What's your answer to Susan's questions?

Ray

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 1433 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 97 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 78 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 82 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 71 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 65 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 68 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 74 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 74 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 81 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 66 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 69 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 61 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 56 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 60 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 58 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 65 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 61 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 58 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 57 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 50 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 65 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 58 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 58 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 61 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 60 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 56 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 63 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 66 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 62 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 62 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 50 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 50 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 53 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 59 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 58 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 56 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 49 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 52 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 50 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 48 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 51 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 51 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 47 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 57 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 58 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 53 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 52 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 57 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 56 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 46 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 59 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 57 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 58 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 52 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 53 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 55 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 54 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 52 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 55 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 53 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 53 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 52 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 48 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 55 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 50 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 54 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 47 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 50 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 49 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 49 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 45 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 50 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 50 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 60 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 45 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 46 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 50 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 46 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 54 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 44 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 52 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 54 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
Re: Christianity 52 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 45 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 47 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 46 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 52 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 46 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 49 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 53 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 50 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 48 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 46 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 47 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 53 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 53 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 49 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 48 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 50 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 48 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 47 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 48 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 55 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 53 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: Pangenesis 54 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 51 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 50 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 46 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 49 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 48 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 49 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 55 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 51 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 55 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 55 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 54 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 54 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 51 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 53 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 55 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 57 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 49 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 45 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 45 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 47 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 46 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 47 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 52 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 47 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 49 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 48 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 52 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 49 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 53 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 53 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 47 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 48 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 50 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 50 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 52 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 44 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 48 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 45 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 45 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 43 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 46 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 53 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 49 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 49 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 46 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 51 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 52 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 48 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 46 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 47 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 47 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 49 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 46 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 55 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 53 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 51 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 47 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 50 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 50 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 49 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 48 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 50 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 48 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 55 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 51 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 46 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 48 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Re: No chance! 48 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Well done 53 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 47 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 43 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 47 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 49 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 47 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 47 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 46 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 44 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 43 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 42 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 49 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 43 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 43 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 54 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 48 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 49 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 50 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 46 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 47 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 51 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 49 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 56 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 52 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 59 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 63 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 51 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 52 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 55 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 57 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 54 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 46 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 45 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 50 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 51 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 49 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 50 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 48 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 46 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 42 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 55 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 65 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 66 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 57 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 57 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 54 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 57 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 56 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 56 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 52 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 48 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 51 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 57 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 55 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 52 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 52 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 55 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 55 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 59 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 69 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 49 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 51 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 58 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 48 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 52 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 50 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 48 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 62 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 35 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 50 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 56 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 56 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 53 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 51 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 57 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 56 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 50 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 51 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 51 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 52 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 65 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 54 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 57 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 53 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 54 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 55 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 56 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 61 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 59 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 61 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 68 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 74 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 77 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 40 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 80 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 81 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 42 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 101 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 57 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 60 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 72 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 69 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 46 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 49 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Salvation - another myth 13 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 53 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 48 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 31 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 16 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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