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I gave up arguing with you years ago.
Well, if you have a spare half-hour or something, why not have a go at saying why!! Actually, I've never thought of discussion here as argument, but always as discussion. Views firmly expressed, but that's what makes a discussion interesting. Arguing is trying to win. I've never been interested in winning or losing, it's the discussion that counts every time.
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I watched the video and the scientist is
James M Tour, Rice University USA
thank you. I have googled him and wikipedia, amongst the list of headings, has 'dissent from darwin' which I linked on. A paragraph or two is enough to show that he has been linked with attempts to discredit the TofE in favour of Intelligent Design. Need I say more? I will, however read more about him later. But his aggressive rant on that video places him outside the solid foundation and support for the tofE.
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His website introduces his massive long list of achievements etc apparently voted in the top 50 most influential scientists in the world.
As is always the case, it does not matter how many achievements one has had, that does not make a woo digression, speech or fringe book right or valid.
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His is pretty clear that random chance is not enough. It needs mindboggling compounding hugely improbable coincidences and a plan.
He can be as clear as he wants to be, but it won't stand up to the scrutiny required.Unless hisopinion is backed up by experimentation etc it remains an opinion only with 'unknown' as the inevitable label given to the speculations involved.
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What you have called "unknown" is what a lot of others call "God".
well, I do actually know that!!
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What you reject, is the human mythology and pretence about knowing the "unknown", which is called "religion".
That sentence doesn't make enough clear sense for me to respond to.
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PS Gee he (scientist) is a raving ranter who is difficult to listen too though!
Why did you inflict that on me then?!
:D
We end this exchange here then on a point of agreement.

Susan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 27-Aug-19 17:59 by Susan Doris.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2200 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 205 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 186 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 181 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 176 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 189 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 187 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 182 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 182 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 180 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 168 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 168 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 164 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 166 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 165 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 162 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 166 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 162 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 162 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 156 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 173 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 173 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 169 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 162 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 155 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 146 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 170 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 163 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 169 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 153 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 158 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 164 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 161 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 174 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 170 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 167 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 172 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 163 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 159 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 160 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 173 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 159 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 169 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 155 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 157 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 144 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 149 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 163 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 148 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 149 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 167 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 172 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 162 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 163 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 169 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 159 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 156 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 165 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 161 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 175 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 165 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 158 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 165 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 162 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 158 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 165 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 158 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 171 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 165 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 151 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 157 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 159 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 160 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 165 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 165 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 154 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 167 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 149 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 163 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 149 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 156 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 151 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 154 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 157 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 150 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 160 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 137 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 171 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 162 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 101 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 158 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 159 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 157 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 155 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 157 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 148 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 142 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 153 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 153 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 157 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 152 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 158 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 105 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 161 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 166 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 150 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 150 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 154 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 142 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 142 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 156 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 161 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 162 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 108 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 108 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 98 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 160 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 163 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 154 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 151 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 150 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 144 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 168 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 156 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 158 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 99 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 149 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 171 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 158 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 166 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 150 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 171 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 156 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 183 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 159 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 148 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 136 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 157 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 150 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 165 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 151 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 160 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 148 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 149 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 165 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 146 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 153 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 167 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 149 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 169 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 152 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 164 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 148 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 151 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 155 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 155 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 142 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 141 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 150 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 154 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 157 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 159 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 141 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 154 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 148 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 149 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 145 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 145 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 144 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 151 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 137 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 171 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 149 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 153 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 158 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 149 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 150 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 150 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 147 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 161 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 155 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 154 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 160 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 145 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 154 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 95 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 161 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 97 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 152 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 144 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 139 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 144 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 143 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 145 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 147 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 151 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 148 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 147 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 143 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 148 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 148 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 151 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 157 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 154 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 153 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 147 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 154 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 147 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 147 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 151 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 148 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 150 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 160 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 164 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 153 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 155 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 161 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 161 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 150 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 153 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 137 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 145 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 156 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 148 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 155 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 150 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 151 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 141 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 160 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 183 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 175 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 168 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 159 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 166 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 159 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 155 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 156 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 153 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 157 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 151 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 150 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 162 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 146 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 150 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 156 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 159 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 156 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 182 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 146 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 160 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 157 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 149 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 153 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 153 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 138 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 168 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 132 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 187 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 157 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 161 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 157 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 147 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 156 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 152 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 149 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 148 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 157 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 164 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 163 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 150 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 150 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 154 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 165 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 158 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 159 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 158 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 159 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 152 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 174 PB Bytes 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 180 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 170 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 139 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 178 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 182 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 140 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 92 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 200 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 158 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 170 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 174 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 172 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 140 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 148 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 153 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 86 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 136 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 127 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 159 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 150 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 138 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 125 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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