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It's a sect. The cult followers use the symbol of a cross, AN INSTRUMENT OF TORTURE, to identify their belief system. You would think if the were interested in peace a symbol of a dove or something like that might be more appropriate.

Well, technically a "sect" is a smaller subset ("section") of a larger religious group. Since nearly all current self-described "Christians" use the cross at least some times to represent their faith, that doesn't seem accurate.

But the over-all case against "official" Christianity as a religious, rather than political, movement is pretty strong. The use of the cross as a symbol for the doctrine itself actually cannot be traced earlier than the 8th century, which is about 4 centuries after the enforced adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire. Though the manner of Jesus death was known, it wasn't considered a suitable way to symbolize the movement itself by the early (genuine) Christians. Instead they used the fish sign because the letters of the word "ichthys" in Greek form an acrostic, or they used a picture of Jesus as "the good shepherd" carrying a lamb across his shoulders. The significance of the "instrument of torture" (instrument of brutal execution, actually) used as a symbol by an office of the state which invented it is not hard to recognize. But of course it was no longer suitable for use in enforcing obedience since it had become a paradoxical "religious symbol" and would elevate any new victims rather than disgrace them. Other methods such as public burning were adopted for punishing the disobedient and intimidating any other potential resistance.

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Why can't religion and science both be right? 2105 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 20:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 181 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 158 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 158 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 22:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 153 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:25
Propaganda or Egotism..... 162 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 23:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 158 Jrevans 22-Aug-19 23:19
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 156 Eddie Larry 22-Aug-19 23:27
Mod Note > Threaded vs. Flat View 159 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Aug-19 23:55
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 157 rkmcquillen 23-Aug-19 03:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 142 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 12:48
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 142 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 136 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 14:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 138 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 138 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 138 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 15:26
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 140 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 15:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 139 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 136 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 133 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 16:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 149 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 146 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:05
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 137 Eddie Larry 23-Aug-19 18:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 135 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 133 Eddie Larry 24-Aug-19 13:57
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 122 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 143 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:30
Share your knowhow!!! 134 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:44
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 139 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:07
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 131 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 17:37
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 133 Susan Doris 23-Aug-19 17:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 136 Itatw70s 23-Aug-19 18:23
The universe is not mysterious 136 greengirl5 23-Aug-19 23:27
Science vs.God? 147 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:53
Here we go again 143 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Here we go again 142 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:28
Why pretend? 142 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:28
Re: Why pretend? 134 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 21:04
Re: Why pretend? 133 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 21:39
Re: Why pretend? 128 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 22:09
Re: Why pretend? 141 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 22:59
Re: Why pretend? 132 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 00:48
Re: Why pretend? 140 Itatw70s 27-Aug-19 00:42
Re: Why pretend? 130 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:17
Re: Why pretend? 129 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:40
Re: Why pretend? 121 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 08:16
Re: Why pretend? 124 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 09:47
Re: Why pretend? 134 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 09:59
Re: Why pretend? 123 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 125 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 10:16
Re: Why pretend? 140 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:43
How many NASA engineers 144 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:28
Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 133 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:36
Re: Lots of scientists and engineers at JPL and CalTech 136 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:50
Show respect 141 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:22
a Re: Show respect 134 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 12:54
Seeing faults in one self 126 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:02
Christianity 137 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 12:10
Re: Christianity 131 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 13:00
Re: Christianity 144 Richard Fusniak 26-Aug-19 22:32
Re: Christianity 130 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:02
Re: Christianity 129 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Christianity 137 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 23:16
Re: Christianity 133 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Christianity 127 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:13
Re: Christianity 133 Richard Fusniak 28-Aug-19 21:54
Re: Christianity 130 Jrevans 28-Aug-19 22:40
Re: Christianity 140 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:05
Re: Christianity 137 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 12:13
Re: Christianity 125 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 13:16
Re: Christianity 131 greengirl5 01-Sep-19 14:23
Re: Christianity 133 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 14:37
Re: Christianity 129 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:21
Re: Christianity 134 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 15:37
Re: Christianity 140 Jrevans 01-Sep-19 15:43
Re: Christianity 126 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:50
NONSENSE 123 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 23:04
Re: NONSENSE 118 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 05:32
Normal (in science/math) 134 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 06:25
Re: Normal (in science/math) 126 shando 02-Sep-19 11:36
Re: Normal (in science/math) 132 Susan Doris 02-Sep-19 12:37
Re: Christianity 123 Eddie Larry 01-Sep-19 23:51
Re: Christianity and the supernormal 125 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:51
Re: Christianity 127 Susan Doris 01-Sep-19 15:45
Re: Christianity 122 Eddie Larry 02-Sep-19 04:44
Science, spiritualism, and evangelical atheism 132 drrayeye 01-Sep-19 15:52
Paranormal boards and debunking 114 greengirl5 02-Sep-19 00:44
Re: Christianity 138 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:58
Re: Christianity 133 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 02:16
A basic human right.... 77 Itatw70s 02-Nov-19 23:59
Re: Christianity 130 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:02
Re: Christianity 132 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:34
Re: Christianity 129 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 14:44
Re: Christianity 128 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 04:58
Very dangerous 130 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:57
Re: Christianity 122 Nolondil 27-Aug-19 16:57
Re: Why pretend? 116 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 16:39
Pangenesis 127 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 17:48
Re: Pangenesis 124 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:22
Re: Pangenesis 127 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Pangenesis 121 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:05
Re: Pangenesis 127 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:13
Re: Pangenesis 82 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:21
Re: Pangenesis 132 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 05:11
I already explained it, 136 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 06:31
Re: I already explained it, 123 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:13
If 122 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 09:42
Re: If 127 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:01
Re: If 118 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 11:34
Re: If 116 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:23
Descartes and Elizabeth 129 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 07:08
Re: I already explained it, 134 Richard Fusniak 30-Aug-19 20:10
Re: I already explained it, 133 Eddie Larry 30-Aug-19 23:21
Re: I already explained it, 83 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 00:30
No straddling 84 drrayeye 03-Nov-19 06:04
Re: No straddling 74 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:10
Re: Pangenesis 133 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:50
Re: Pangenesis 134 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:08
Re: Pangenesis 123 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 23:37
Reason for posting 124 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Reason for posting 121 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:44
Where did all the stuff come from? 119 greengirl5 27-Aug-19 21:53
Re: Where did all the stuff come from? 140 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 04:50
Are you sure 129 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 11:47
Re: Are you sure 133 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 11:52
Re: Why pretend? 74 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 19:44
Re: Why pretend? 122 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Why pretend? 143 cloister 26-Aug-19 06:42
Re: Why pretend? 133 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 07:56
Re: Why pretend? 135 cloister 26-Aug-19 08:18
Re: Why pretend? 123 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:00
Re: Why pretend? 142 cloister 26-Aug-19 15:06
Re: Why pretend? 126 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 15:19
Re: Why pretend? 154 cloister 26-Aug-19 18:47
Re: Why pretend? 130 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:27
Re: Why pretend? 123 cloister 27-Aug-19 05:29
Re: Why pretend? 112 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:24
Re: Why pretend? 129 cloister 27-Aug-19 07:17
Re: Why pretend? 121 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 07:31
Re: Why pretend? 135 cloister 27-Aug-19 10:04
Re: Why pretend? 126 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 10:45
Re: Why pretend? 132 cloister 27-Aug-19 11:30
Re: Why pretend? 119 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 13:53
Re: Why pretend? 123 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 15:00
Re: Why pretend? 133 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 15:45
Re: Why pretend? 120 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 17:55
Re: Why pretend? 125 Corpuscles 27-Aug-19 18:26
Re: Why pretend? 139 cloister 27-Aug-19 19:33
Re: Why pretend? 119 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:12
Re: Why pretend? 138 cloister 28-Aug-19 07:11
Re: Why pretend? 124 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 08:35
Re: Why pretend? 134 cloister 28-Aug-19 11:00
Re: Why pretend? 122 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 12:56
Re: Why pretend? 122 cloister 28-Aug-19 13:38
Re: Why pretend? 128 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Why pretend? 126 cloister 28-Aug-19 16:11
Re: Why pretend? 119 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:15
saying "don't know." 114 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:27
Re: saying "don't know." 121 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 16:47
Trapped 125 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:00
Re: Trapped 127 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:07
Congratulations 131 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:31
Re: Congratulations 113 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:07
Every once in awhile 126 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 19:52
Re: Every once in awhile 123 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 20:39
When you comment about science 123 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 01:30
Re: When you comment about science 117 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 05:06
Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 117 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 06:17
Re: Almost everyone who posts at GHMB 119 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 07:00
No room for arrogance in science or spirit 125 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 07:38
Re: No room for arrogance in science or spirit 112 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 10:15
Unlucky number 13 140 drrayeye 29-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Unlucky number 13 123 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 13:45
Unknown possibilities 124 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:19
Re: Unknown possibilities 128 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:11
Re: Unknown possibilities 121 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 17:00
Re: Why pretend? 123 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 13:17
Natural law 125 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 14:28
Re: Natural law 121 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 14:37
Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 128 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 23:48
Re: Pantheisim or Pan- en -theism? 127 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 01:52
No chance! 129 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 03:50
Re: No chance! 129 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 08:03
Re: No chance! 117 greengirl5 29-Aug-19 13:30
Re: No chance! 131 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:29
Dreams----crucial or not? 71 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:12
Re: No chance! 132 Corpuscles 29-Aug-19 22:29
Re: No chance! 72 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:03
Well done 130 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 13:54
Re: Well done 120 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 15:44
Not so easy to dismiss 112 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 16:20
Re: Not so easy to dismiss 120 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 18:10
What you call "patronizing' 121 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 18:58
differences of perspective, but . . . 119 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:04
Re: Why pretend? 120 Eddie Larry 27-Aug-19 21:50
Re: Why pretend? 122 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 00:05
Re: Why pretend? 114 Eddie Larry 28-Aug-19 03:56
Re: Why pretend? 118 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 04:30
Re: Why pretend? 112 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 05:01
Re: Why pretend? 122 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 03:36
Re: Why pretend? 123 Corpuscles 28-Aug-19 04:58
Re: Why pretend? 126 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:34
Re: Why pretend? 127 Jrevans 27-Aug-19 15:54
There are other possibilities 125 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 17:19
Re: There are other possibilities 123 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 18:10
Big difference 121 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 19:26
Re: Big difference 127 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:45
Who made nothing? 124 greengirl5 28-Aug-19 02:05
Re: Why pretend? 120 Susan Doris 27-Aug-19 06:21
Blew by you 126 drrayeye 27-Aug-19 20:16
Nope 123 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 02:04
Re: Why pretend? 123 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 05:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 134 GramPong 23-Aug-19 20:23
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 135 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 00:58
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 124 GramPong 24-Aug-19 17:02
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 131 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 134 GramPong 24-Aug-19 21:35
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 133 jazzmumbles 25-Aug-19 01:36
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 126 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 05:59
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 126 jazzmumbles 28-Aug-19 01:13
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 113 Susan Doris 28-Aug-19 06:53
Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 119 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 08:13
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 129 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 10:07
Re: Music is for survival and love is a chemical! 120 greengirl5 26-Aug-19 22:45
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 128 rkmcquillen 26-Aug-19 20:20
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 122 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 20:41
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 121 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:31
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 116 Jrevans 26-Aug-19 21:55
Don't forget the oral traditions of indigenous tribes.... 135 Itatw70s 25-Aug-19 19:32
Mod Note > Topic Moved 152 Dr. Troglodyte 23-Aug-19 15:54
Great start 145 drrayeye 23-Aug-19 17:11
Re: Great start 135 Jrevans 23-Aug-19 18:01
Re: Great start 133 Itatw70s 24-Aug-19 00:37
Re: Great start 138 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 01:25
Patterns of Evidence 135 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 03:37
Re: Great start 126 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 06:26
Re: Great start 131 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:11
Re: Great start 124 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:34
Re: Great start 129 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:43
Re: Great start 127 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:51
Let's help James explore 127 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 13:15
Re: Let's help James explore 138 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 13:24
Re: Let's help James explore 123 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:32
Re: Let's help James explore 124 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 16:19
Re: Let's help James explore 132 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:03
Re: Let's help James explore 132 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:23
More detail 129 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 18:31
interesting history 152 grangram 26-Aug-19 19:33
Re: interesting history 118 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:17
Re: interesting history 130 grangram 26-Aug-19 23:38
How about Noah's Ark 130 grangram 26-Aug-19 20:40
Re: How about Noah's Ark 121 Susan Doris 26-Aug-19 21:38
Thanks 129 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 23:20
Rohl and the tower of babel? 122 grangram 28-Aug-19 09:51
Gabrieli oldstyle 113 drrayeye 28-Aug-19 14:18
Sometimes words get in the way 138 grangram 03-Sep-19 06:02
Finally watched both of them 105 drrayeye 12-Sep-19 07:44
Noah's Ark 147 grangram 12-Sep-19 09:19
Re: Let's help James explore 129 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 16:39
Re: Let's help James explore 133 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 17:22
Re: Let's help James explore 128 Jrevans 24-Aug-19 17:36
Re: Let's help James explore 119 Susan Doris 24-Aug-19 17:58
Re: Let's help James explore 132 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 19:22
Re: Let's help James explore 124 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 06:06
Re: Let's help James explore 125 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 11:32
Re: Let's help James explore 124 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 13:01
Quality and Sensitivity 132 drrayeye 25-Aug-19 15:04
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 135 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 15:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 138 Eddie Larry 25-Aug-19 16:07
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 123 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 16:40
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 127 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 16:59
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 126 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:14
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 135 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 17:27
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 131 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:51
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 132 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 16:43
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 132 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 17:45
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 133 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 17:53
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 127 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:02
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 147 Poster Boy 25-Aug-19 18:16
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 153 Jrevans 25-Aug-19 17:57
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 148 Susan Doris 25-Aug-19 18:06
Re: Quality and Sensitivity 110 shando 02-Sep-19 12:16
I'm not a teacher 154 drrayeye 26-Aug-19 06:58
Re: I'm not a teacher 157 Eddie Larry 26-Aug-19 14:28
Re: I'm not a teacher 116 shando 02-Sep-19 12:21
Re: Great start 70 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 20:40
Re: Great start 177 drrayeye 24-Aug-19 15:28
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 130 Susan Doris 29-Aug-19 12:42
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 144 Jrevans 29-Aug-19 21:43
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 148 Susan Doris 30-Aug-19 07:14
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 148 Jrevans 30-Aug-19 12:15
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 114 Itatw70s 03-Nov-19 21:00
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 124 shando 02-Sep-19 18:04
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 129 Susan Doris 03-Sep-19 05:17
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 37 Susan Doris 04-Mar-20 06:42
Salvation - another myth 110 Richard Fusniak 23-Oct-19 13:24
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 101 SandyJesse 01-Nov-19 22:27
Susan's thread--"from jrevans" 133 drrayeye 02-Sep-19 20:57
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 125 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Sep-19 21:25
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 108 Mayavitch 10-Oct-19 20:33
Re: Why can't religion and science both be right? 101 rulebook54 19-Oct-19 15:52


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