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Hi again, Naveen... I must say, it's been a while since a question and/or line of thought has inspired so much contemplation on my part. I found it to also be uplifting, so thank you

> Hallo Mark,
>
> I understand what you’re asking. To do what you
> are describing I would have to have a very
> determined intention to do so.

Yes, I quite agree.


Normally I am like
> anybody else forgetting all about it and in a more
> or less automatic way doing my things. Especially
> when I am among or around other people, like going
> into town.


Yes, this is typical of me too. But I've had enough experience, exercising my "centeredness" muscle, that I feel I can get back to this place quite easily. How deep I go is another thing, and largely dependent on two things: my sense of being on a quest relating to what I consider to be "spiritual" mysteries, or if I believe I am responding to a true Calling. In either of these cases, it is much easier for me to enter this state, probably because I see myself walking to talk. On two occasions I left my home country at the drop of a hat - as soon as I could, anyway - because I felt such a "C"alling - so the act of promptly giving notice to my employer, on one such occasion, then landing in another country two weeks later, externalized my inner condition.

I strongly believe that one can't fake these states either, which is why I personally feel that it's okay for me to revert to my normal way of being most times, as you describe here.

Then sometimes, very unexpected, it can
> just “hit me” and then there I am observing
> the situation I find myself in at that particular
> moment. Sometimes very enlightening, sometimes
> very disturbing.


Agreed. As for the latter, I see those occasions as a kind of blessing, like "If you just drop this side of your behavior, look at all of the effects that you won't cause!" As for the more positive experiences, they are also self-transforming, and often in -effacing.



> These kind of experiences lead me to the
> conclusion, that enlightenment ( or what you
> called “to be centered at this level”) is not
> something to achieve or accomplish, but something
> that can and needs to be maintained or supported
> each and every single moment.

I believe this is very likely true, but like I said, I don't bother trying to fake it. I probably should try harder, perhaps, but I don't stress about it because the most centered states have convinced me that my present personality has little in common with my true metaphysical condition: that of a spiritual entity having a human experience. One consequence of this belief, for me, is that I don't concern myself with the afterlife. I trust I will be okay. This has caused me to be somewhat complacent, perhaps, but it also allows me to accept myself as I am, flawed for sure, but a decent person overall.


At least that is the
> stage I find myself in in this period of my life
> (a kind of transition stage if you wish). It is
> not meant to say that it can never be a permanent
> state, but that is not where I am right now.

So, we are quite the same.

> Since you were asking this question: would you
> mind sharing your experience(s) in this respect?
>
> All the best,
> Naveen.

In general, I don't share my best experiences because I know that few people will have a hard time believing what I have experienced. But of them all, I will say this. When they first hit me, my reaction was one of 'novelty'; what I was experiencing was so new, and so independent of 'normal' life that I was very excited and at times quite fanatical. Two major memories from this time including me telling myself, again and again, that what I was experiencing really was transcendent and extraordinary - it was as if I was trying to defend what I was experiencing from others and also my future self, as I thought for sure I would doubt what was happening NOW, later on, or at least seek to diminish what was happening.

Then barely into my 20s, I also thought that maybe, hopefully, this experience would last forever and I would be in a permanently enlightened state. But this was not sustainable. Then, a few years later I went through what I believe was a true spiritual Initiation, one that was much deeper than the earlier one - which is saying a lot - but this time I took care to not presume that this phase would be permanent either. So there was no desperation about being able to hold on to the experience. I think this really helped me. I had moved beyond the 'novelty' phase, and was able to absorb the lessons of my Initiation in much greater stillness, which I think lent far greater clarity.

Nowadays, in the aftermath of these and other precious life episodes, I would say that the first order of business to getting centered entails acknowledging whatever issues may be uppermost to one's mundane self and learning to go through life more smoothly. But the centeredness you speak of - at least to me - is at least one octave higher.

So, with that in mind, here's the difference which I wonder if you can relate to. Since my early 20s, when I have entered this higher octave of centeredness, in having transcended 'novelty' I feel as if I am returning to my native self, a part of me that is much more like who I really am, in my totality, a being who is my ordinary mortal self and more. Does that make any sense?

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