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When large areas turn to deserts, like in Australia, large areas get burned like in California and South Pacific Islands drown, who cares about statements and methods?
It is the same with many other things in life. You know it by experience without the approval of a scientist.

GG.



Susan Doris Wrote:
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> Again - very interesting and I do not dispute any
> of what you say. I have in fact, just started
> reading
> [url=https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/alumni/news/book
> s/seven-elements-have-changed-world-iron-carbon-go
> ld-silver-uranium-titanium]this book[/url] which
> is very relevant.
> However long it has taken for the reality of
> global warning to be accepted, in the end there
> will not be a statement that it is 100% fact, but
> however close they get to that, it will be based
> on objective evidence, not on any hearsay! And I
> think you will agree with that!
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> drrayeye Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Susan,
> >
> > There is a grain of truth in your claim--but
> only
> > a grain. The hypothetical/deductive method
> > involving formal experimental and null
> hypotheses
> > is unique to the sciences--but is rarely used
> in
> > it's pure form. Seen historically, it often
> comes
> > as a culmination of a great deal of
> foundational
> > research which refines simple observations.
> Even
> > then, certain requirements of the design may
> not
> > be met.
> >
> > A good example is global warming. As early as
> the
> > 18th century, there was speculation that the
> > burning of wood, peat, and coal could cause the
> > release of gases that could increase global
> > temperature, but there weren't enough
> observations
> > over the entire globe over a long enough period
> of
> > time to really formally test that hypothesis.
> Two
> > centuries later, we formed an international
> group
> > called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
> > Change (IPCC) to carry out a global study
> > measuring both temperature and CO2
> concentration
> > prospectively, and earlier temperature changes
> > retrospectively--using data from tree ring
> samples
> > and ice core samples. The retrospective data,
> > imperfect as it was, clearly showed temperature
> > cycles with a sharp upward trend in recent
> times.
> > Using data from weather observation sites
> > onground, buoys at sea, and satellites in
> space,
> > we were finally able to present truly global
> > measurements for the first time that verified
> the
> > increases--including the sharp increase in
> recent
> > years. At the same time, studies of CO2
> > concentration showed similar increases.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there was no way to do a
> controlled
> > experiment to test the hypothesis that the
> > increases in CO2 caused the increases in
> > temperature. Remember, that was the original
> > hypothesis. Instead, we correlated the CO2 and
> > temperature observations with each other and
> found
> > an association that couldn't be explained by
> > chance.
> >
> > So, it was "kind of" the scientific method you
> are
> > talking about--if we just look at the most
> recent
> > studies. But the approach was by no means the
> out
> > of the box, step by step, process you describe.
>
> > Worse yet, the final association documented
> fell
> > short of the causal findings demanded by "the
> > scientific method."
> >
> > Ray

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Methods 1500 Susan Doris 16-Dec-18 12:35
Re: Methods 178 Eddie Larry 16-Dec-18 15:34
Re: Methods 169 Susan Doris 16-Dec-18 16:39
Re: Methods 178 Eddie Larry 16-Dec-18 18:15
Re: Methods 163 Itatw70s 16-Dec-18 23:59
Re: Methods 173 Susan Doris 17-Dec-18 06:29
Re: Methods 179 Eddie Larry 17-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Methods 166 drrayeye 17-Dec-18 08:08
Re: Methods 164 Susan Doris 17-Dec-18 08:37
Re: Methods 169 greengirl5 17-Dec-18 09:04
Re: Methods 162 Enigcom 17-Dec-18 12:13
An example 164 drrayeye 17-Dec-18 15:55
Re: An example 159 Susan Doris 17-Dec-18 17:20
Re: An example 167 Itatw70s 17-Dec-18 17:57
Re: An example 160 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 07:59
If we accept academic standards, 169 drrayeye 18-Dec-18 13:28
Re: If we accept academic standards, 165 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 15:19
Re: If we accept academic standards, 156 Eddie Larry 18-Dec-18 16:31
Re: If we accept academic standards, 164 Enigcom 18-Dec-18 17:17
Re: If we accept academic standards, 156 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 18:35
Re: If we accept academic standards, 167 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 18:31
Re: If we accept academic standards, 161 Eddie Larry 18-Dec-18 18:59
Re: If we accept academic standards, 155 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 19:11
Re: If we accept academic standards, 158 Eddie Larry 18-Dec-18 19:56
Re: If we accept academic standards, 158 Itatw70s 18-Dec-18 21:58
Re: If we accept academic standards, 166 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 07:12
Bee in the bonnet 167 greengirl5 19-Dec-18 07:45
Re: Bee in the bonnet 170 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 08:10
Re: If we accept academic standards, 160 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 06:33
Re: If we accept academic standards, 168 Eddie Larry 19-Dec-18 22:04
Re: If we accept academic standards, 151 Susan Doris 22-Dec-18 20:25
Re: If we accept academic standards, 145 Eddie Larry 22-Dec-18 20:42
Real world example of the scientific method 175 drrayeye 18-Dec-18 19:04
Re: Real world example of the scientific method 166 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 19:27
Statements! 168 greengirl5 19-Dec-18 07:55
Re: If we accept academic standards, 143 drrayeye 27-Dec-18 09:42
Re: If we accept academic standards, 198 Susan Doris 27-Dec-18 13:32
Re: An example 167 Itatw70s 18-Dec-18 21:38
Re: An example 157 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 07:16
Re: An example 161 Enigcom 18-Dec-18 17:14
Re: An example 160 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 18:42
Re: An example 163 Itatw70s 18-Dec-18 22:07
Re: An example 166 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 07:20
So, try to prove art 158 greengirl5 19-Dec-18 08:00
Re: So, try to prove art 168 Itatw70s 19-Dec-18 12:52
Re: So, try to prove art 153 Susan Doris 22-Dec-18 20:07
Re: So, try to prove art 151 Itatw70s 23-Dec-18 00:18
Re: So, try to prove art 144 Susan Doris 23-Dec-18 06:55
Re: An example 156 Enigcom 22-Dec-18 13:00
Re: An example 159 Susan Doris 22-Dec-18 20:18
Re: An example 163 greengirl5 22-Dec-18 21:15
Re: An example 158 Itatw70s 23-Dec-18 00:32
Re: An example 160 Susan Doris 23-Dec-18 09:33
Re: An example 159 Susan Doris 23-Dec-18 07:00
Communicate.... 146 Itatw70s 23-Dec-18 21:35
Re: An example 155 Enigcom 23-Dec-18 19:24
Re: An example 148 Susan Doris 24-Dec-18 06:27
Happy Christmas everybody, from Australia. 154 greengirl5 24-Dec-18 11:43
a Method for the Holidays 146 drrayeye 24-Dec-18 19:18
Re: a Method for the Holidays 147 Susan Doris 25-Dec-18 06:38
Re: Methods 69 ian 77 11-Jun-19 20:13
Re: Methods 59 Susan Doris 13-Jun-19 05:12
Re: Methods 115 drew 13-Jun-19 07:49


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