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When large areas turn to deserts, like in Australia, large areas get burned like in California and South Pacific Islands drown, who cares about statements and methods?
It is the same with many other things in life. You know it by experience without the approval of a scientist.

GG.



Susan Doris Wrote:
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> Again - very interesting and I do not dispute any
> of what you say. I have in fact, just started
> reading
> [url=https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/alumni/news/book
> s/seven-elements-have-changed-world-iron-carbon-go
> ld-silver-uranium-titanium]this book[/url] which
> is very relevant.
> However long it has taken for the reality of
> global warning to be accepted, in the end there
> will not be a statement that it is 100% fact, but
> however close they get to that, it will be based
> on objective evidence, not on any hearsay! And I
> think you will agree with that!
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> drrayeye Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Susan,
> >
> > There is a grain of truth in your claim--but
> only
> > a grain. The hypothetical/deductive method
> > involving formal experimental and null
> hypotheses
> > is unique to the sciences--but is rarely used
> in
> > it's pure form. Seen historically, it often
> comes
> > as a culmination of a great deal of
> foundational
> > research which refines simple observations.
> Even
> > then, certain requirements of the design may
> not
> > be met.
> >
> > A good example is global warming. As early as
> the
> > 18th century, there was speculation that the
> > burning of wood, peat, and coal could cause the
> > release of gases that could increase global
> > temperature, but there weren't enough
> observations
> > over the entire globe over a long enough period
> of
> > time to really formally test that hypothesis.
> Two
> > centuries later, we formed an international
> group
> > called the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
> > Change (IPCC) to carry out a global study
> > measuring both temperature and CO2
> concentration
> > prospectively, and earlier temperature changes
> > retrospectively--using data from tree ring
> samples
> > and ice core samples. The retrospective data,
> > imperfect as it was, clearly showed temperature
> > cycles with a sharp upward trend in recent
> times.
> > Using data from weather observation sites
> > onground, buoys at sea, and satellites in
> space,
> > we were finally able to present truly global
> > measurements for the first time that verified
> the
> > increases--including the sharp increase in
> recent
> > years. At the same time, studies of CO2
> > concentration showed similar increases.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there was no way to do a
> controlled
> > experiment to test the hypothesis that the
> > increases in CO2 caused the increases in
> > temperature. Remember, that was the original
> > hypothesis. Instead, we correlated the CO2 and
> > temperature observations with each other and
> found
> > an association that couldn't be explained by
> > chance.
> >
> > So, it was "kind of" the scientific method you
> are
> > talking about--if we just look at the most
> recent
> > studies. But the approach was by no means the
> out
> > of the box, step by step, process you describe.
>
> > Worse yet, the final association documented
> fell
> > short of the causal findings demanded by "the
> > scientific method."
> >
> > Ray

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Methods 1599 Susan Doris 16-Dec-18 12:35
Re: Methods 222 Eddie Larry 16-Dec-18 15:34
Re: Methods 200 Susan Doris 16-Dec-18 16:39
Re: Methods 228 Eddie Larry 16-Dec-18 18:15
Re: Methods 197 Itatw70s 16-Dec-18 23:59
Re: Methods 210 Susan Doris 17-Dec-18 06:29
Re: Methods 213 Eddie Larry 17-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Methods 199 drrayeye 17-Dec-18 08:08
Re: Methods 199 Susan Doris 17-Dec-18 08:37
Re: Methods 202 greengirl5 17-Dec-18 09:04
Re: Methods 206 Enigcom 17-Dec-18 12:13
An example 198 drrayeye 17-Dec-18 15:55
Re: An example 204 Susan Doris 17-Dec-18 17:20
Re: An example 194 Itatw70s 17-Dec-18 17:57
Re: An example 197 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 07:59
If we accept academic standards, 201 drrayeye 18-Dec-18 13:28
Re: If we accept academic standards, 208 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 15:19
Re: If we accept academic standards, 190 Eddie Larry 18-Dec-18 16:31
Re: If we accept academic standards, 201 Enigcom 18-Dec-18 17:17
Re: If we accept academic standards, 212 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 18:35
Re: If we accept academic standards, 203 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 18:31
Re: If we accept academic standards, 210 Eddie Larry 18-Dec-18 18:59
Re: If we accept academic standards, 185 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 19:11
Re: If we accept academic standards, 192 Eddie Larry 18-Dec-18 19:56
Re: If we accept academic standards, 200 Itatw70s 18-Dec-18 21:58
Re: If we accept academic standards, 204 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 07:12
Bee in the bonnet 199 greengirl5 19-Dec-18 07:45
Re: Bee in the bonnet 209 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 08:10
Re: If we accept academic standards, 205 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 06:33
Re: If we accept academic standards, 212 Eddie Larry 19-Dec-18 22:04
Re: If we accept academic standards, 195 Susan Doris 22-Dec-18 20:25
Re: If we accept academic standards, 185 Eddie Larry 22-Dec-18 20:42
Real world example of the scientific method 228 drrayeye 18-Dec-18 19:04
Re: Real world example of the scientific method 211 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 19:27
Statements! 193 greengirl5 19-Dec-18 07:55
Re: If we accept academic standards, 191 drrayeye 27-Dec-18 09:42
Re: If we accept academic standards, 242 Susan Doris 27-Dec-18 13:32
Re: An example 210 Itatw70s 18-Dec-18 21:38
Re: An example 189 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 07:16
Re: An example 200 Enigcom 18-Dec-18 17:14
Re: An example 205 Susan Doris 18-Dec-18 18:42
Re: An example 199 Itatw70s 18-Dec-18 22:07
Re: An example 218 Susan Doris 19-Dec-18 07:20
So, try to prove art 195 greengirl5 19-Dec-18 08:00
Re: So, try to prove art 207 Itatw70s 19-Dec-18 12:52
Re: So, try to prove art 191 Susan Doris 22-Dec-18 20:07
Re: So, try to prove art 179 Itatw70s 23-Dec-18 00:18
Re: So, try to prove art 178 Susan Doris 23-Dec-18 06:55
Re: An example 196 Enigcom 22-Dec-18 13:00
Re: An example 196 Susan Doris 22-Dec-18 20:18
Re: An example 195 greengirl5 22-Dec-18 21:15
Re: An example 197 Itatw70s 23-Dec-18 00:32
Re: An example 192 Susan Doris 23-Dec-18 09:33
Re: An example 201 Susan Doris 23-Dec-18 07:00
Communicate.... 170 Itatw70s 23-Dec-18 21:35
Re: An example 198 Enigcom 23-Dec-18 19:24
Re: An example 187 Susan Doris 24-Dec-18 06:27
Happy Christmas everybody, from Australia. 200 greengirl5 24-Dec-18 11:43
a Method for the Holidays 191 drrayeye 24-Dec-18 19:18
Re: a Method for the Holidays 194 Susan Doris 25-Dec-18 06:38
Re: Methods 100 ian 77 11-Jun-19 20:13
Re: Methods 92 Susan Doris 13-Jun-19 05:12
Re: Methods 185 drew 13-Jun-19 07:49


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