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Jock,

I think the way "believe in nothing" is applied to science is in terms of the null hypothesis. One must compare an experimental finding to chance--and by rejecting chance as an explanation one has supported a claim.

If one can't reject chance, one goes back to the drawing board.

A scientific claim is never fully supported--but is bolstered by replications and related findings which also cannot be satisfactorily explained by chance.

The intent is to reject chance, and when we can't, we try to design a better experiment.

I think philosophically one wants to (maybe even must) reject the belief in nothing--even if the alternative proof is a bit insufficient--just like we must reject the null hypothesis in science. Belief in experience of some kind may be a good start.

Those who would challenge any alternative cannot accept the "nothing" hypothesis any more than scientists with the null hypothesis. IMO, most real atheists reject spiritual hypotheses in favor of materialist alternatives, not philosophical "nothing"--and they must prove them against "nothing"--just like spiritualists.

Ray

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Negative proof theory 1026 greengirl5 12-Nov-18 20:38
Re: Negative proof theory 194 Jock 12-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Negative proof theory 182 Itatw70s 12-Nov-18 21:04
Re: Negative proof theory 166 Jock 13-Nov-18 00:00
Re: Negative proof theory 169 Enigcom 12-Nov-18 22:39
Re: Negative proof theory 167 Jock 13-Nov-18 00:01
Re: Negative proof theory 180 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 00:22
Re: Negative proof theory 155 Jock 13-Nov-18 01:55
Re: Negative proof theory 156 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:27
Re: Negative proof theory 166 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:50
Re: Negative proof theory 161 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 02:00
Half believing 166 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 01:49
I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 178 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 01:56
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 175 Jock 13-Nov-18 06:43
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 177 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 08:53
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 165 Jock 14-Nov-18 00:10
Surprise! 168 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 00:23
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 162 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:33
Re: Half believing 161 Jock 13-Nov-18 01:57
Re: Half believing 180 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 02:05
Re: Half believing 166 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:40
Re: Half believing 172 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:00
Re: Negative proof theory 181 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:34
Believe it or not 161 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:13
Re: Believe it or not 179 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:53
The parallel in science 167 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 01:13
Re: The parallel in science 157 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:09
Waiting? 166 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 06:12
Re: Waiting? 150 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 06:34
Re: Waiting? 168 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 12:02
Sticking to science 161 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 07:00
Re: Sticking to science 170 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 07:52
Re: Sticking to science 152 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 12:05
Re: The parallel in science 162 Jock 15-Nov-18 00:44
Re: The parallel in science 163 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 01:50
Null hypothesis 167 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 02:56
Ah, nothing! 160 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:23
Re: Null hypothesis 163 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 15:25
Re: Null hypothesis 166 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 18:02
Re: Negative proof theory 288 Poster Boy 18-Nov-18 17:49
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 181 Eddie Larry 13-Nov-18 23:58
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 163 Jock 14-Nov-18 00:07
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 170 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 00:29
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 174 Jock 14-Nov-18 05:20
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 168 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 16:33
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 176 Jock 15-Nov-18 01:52
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 153 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 03:23
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 166 Jock 15-Nov-18 05:12
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 146 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 15:00
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 159 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 00:30
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 156 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 00:43
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 169 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 01:57
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 156 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 01:58
WOW! 154 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 06:30
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 170 Jock 14-Nov-18 05:22
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 153 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 16:40
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 165 Jock 15-Nov-18 00:21
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 159 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 02:14
Karl Popper 169 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Karl Popper 157 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 02:19
Answering myself 163 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:14
Re: Answering myself 176 Jock 15-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Answering myself 168 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:27
Re: Answering myself 142 Jock 15-Nov-18 05:14
Re: Answering myself 152 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 06:57
Re: Answering myself 192 jazzmumbles 15-Nov-18 16:48
Re: Answering myself 176 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 21:22
Re: Negative proof theory 175 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 12:45
Scientific proof 151 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 15:02
Re: Scientific proof 166 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 15:53
you're missing the point 176 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 19:08
Re: you're missing the point 163 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:58
Re: you're missing the point 144 Jock 14-Nov-18 21:58
Re: you're missing the point 169 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 22:22
Re: you're missing the point 177 Jock 14-Nov-18 22:36
Re: you're missing the point 171 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 23:06
Re: Scientific proof 154 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Scientific proof 165 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:08
Re: Scientific proof 150 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:00
Re: Scientific proof 172 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:42
Re: Negative proof theory 164 Enigcom 14-Nov-18 17:26
Re: Negative proof theory 168 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Negative proof theory 162 Enigcom 14-Nov-18 18:11
Re: Negative proof theory 173 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 21:15
Re: Negative proof theory 158 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Negative proof theory 165 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:08
Re: Negative proof theory 152 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 07:49
Re: Negative proof theory 170 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 09:07
Re: Negative proof theory 166 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 13:19
scientism and young minds 170 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 19:40
Re: scientism and young minds 171 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 06:44
From the rabbit hole again 159 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 07:49
Re: From the rabbit hole again 156 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 08:22
Re: From the rabbit hole again 161 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 12:33
Re: From the rabbit hole again 157 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 13:36
In a nutshell 165 greengirl5 16-Nov-18 21:23
Re: In a nutshell 154 Susan Doris 17-Nov-18 05:58
Re: In a nutshell 150 greengirl5 17-Nov-18 21:29
Re: In a nutshell 168 Susan Doris 18-Nov-18 05:43
Re: In a nutshell 161 greengirl5 18-Nov-18 11:14
Corrected "demans" to "demands" 160 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 07:36
Glad to be free! 163 greengirl5 16-Nov-18 11:52
God fixation 171 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:37
Re: God fixation 152 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:36
Re: God fixation 185 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:13
Re: God fixation 174 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 07:53


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