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Jock,

I think the way "believe in nothing" is applied to science is in terms of the null hypothesis. One must compare an experimental finding to chance--and by rejecting chance as an explanation one has supported a claim.

If one can't reject chance, one goes back to the drawing board.

A scientific claim is never fully supported--but is bolstered by replications and related findings which also cannot be satisfactorily explained by chance.

The intent is to reject chance, and when we can't, we try to design a better experiment.

I think philosophically one wants to (maybe even must) reject the belief in nothing--even if the alternative proof is a bit insufficient--just like we must reject the null hypothesis in science. Belief in experience of some kind may be a good start.

Those who would challenge any alternative cannot accept the "nothing" hypothesis any more than scientists with the null hypothesis. IMO, most real atheists reject spiritual hypotheses in favor of materialist alternatives, not philosophical "nothing"--and they must prove them against "nothing"--just like spiritualists.

Ray

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Negative proof theory 920 greengirl5 12-Nov-18 20:38
Re: Negative proof theory 146 Jock 12-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Negative proof theory 137 Itatw70s 12-Nov-18 21:04
Re: Negative proof theory 132 Jock 13-Nov-18 00:00
Re: Negative proof theory 135 Enigcom 12-Nov-18 22:39
Re: Negative proof theory 129 Jock 13-Nov-18 00:01
Re: Negative proof theory 135 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 00:22
Re: Negative proof theory 129 Jock 13-Nov-18 01:55
Re: Negative proof theory 125 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:27
Re: Negative proof theory 129 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:50
Re: Negative proof theory 124 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 02:00
Half believing 124 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 01:49
I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 120 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 01:56
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 128 Jock 13-Nov-18 06:43
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 131 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 08:53
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 123 Jock 14-Nov-18 00:10
Surprise! 123 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 00:23
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 125 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:33
Re: Half believing 131 Jock 13-Nov-18 01:57
Re: Half believing 129 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 02:05
Re: Half believing 124 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:40
Re: Half believing 124 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:00
Re: Negative proof theory 130 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:34
Believe it or not 130 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:13
Re: Believe it or not 130 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:53
The parallel in science 122 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 01:13
Re: The parallel in science 125 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:09
Waiting? 116 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 06:12
Re: Waiting? 116 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 06:34
Re: Waiting? 119 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 12:02
Sticking to science 117 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 07:00
Re: Sticking to science 124 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 07:52
Re: Sticking to science 123 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 12:05
Re: The parallel in science 121 Jock 15-Nov-18 00:44
Re: The parallel in science 122 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 01:50
Null hypothesis 122 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 02:56
Ah, nothing! 117 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:23
Re: Null hypothesis 120 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 15:25
Re: Null hypothesis 112 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 18:02
Re: Negative proof theory 208 Poster Boy 18-Nov-18 17:49
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 125 Eddie Larry 13-Nov-18 23:58
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 126 Jock 14-Nov-18 00:07
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 125 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 00:29
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 124 Jock 14-Nov-18 05:20
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 125 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 16:33
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 120 Jock 15-Nov-18 01:52
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 121 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 03:23
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 119 Jock 15-Nov-18 05:12
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 117 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 15:00
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 129 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 00:30
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 127 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 00:43
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 126 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 01:57
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 127 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 01:58
WOW! 122 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 06:30
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 126 Jock 14-Nov-18 05:22
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 124 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 16:40
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 119 Jock 15-Nov-18 00:21
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 116 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 02:14
Karl Popper 125 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Karl Popper 120 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 02:19
Answering myself 117 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:14
Re: Answering myself 124 Jock 15-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Answering myself 123 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:27
Re: Answering myself 117 Jock 15-Nov-18 05:14
Re: Answering myself 120 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 06:57
Re: Answering myself 138 jazzmumbles 15-Nov-18 16:48
Re: Answering myself 122 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 21:22
Re: Negative proof theory 131 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 12:45
Scientific proof 118 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 15:02
Re: Scientific proof 122 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 15:53
you're missing the point 123 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 19:08
Re: you're missing the point 120 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:58
Re: you're missing the point 116 Jock 14-Nov-18 21:58
Re: you're missing the point 123 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 22:22
Re: you're missing the point 125 Jock 14-Nov-18 22:36
Re: you're missing the point 124 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 23:06
Re: Scientific proof 125 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Scientific proof 116 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:08
Re: Scientific proof 122 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:00
Re: Scientific proof 125 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:42
Re: Negative proof theory 124 Enigcom 14-Nov-18 17:26
Re: Negative proof theory 131 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Negative proof theory 124 Enigcom 14-Nov-18 18:11
Re: Negative proof theory 125 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 21:15
Re: Negative proof theory 118 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Negative proof theory 123 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:08
Re: Negative proof theory 126 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 07:49
Re: Negative proof theory 125 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 09:07
Re: Negative proof theory 122 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 13:19
scientism and young minds 122 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 19:40
Re: scientism and young minds 121 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 06:44
From the rabbit hole again 112 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 07:49
Re: From the rabbit hole again 118 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 08:22
Re: From the rabbit hole again 118 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 12:33
Re: From the rabbit hole again 121 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 13:36
In a nutshell 117 greengirl5 16-Nov-18 21:23
Re: In a nutshell 121 Susan Doris 17-Nov-18 05:58
Re: In a nutshell 116 greengirl5 17-Nov-18 21:29
Re: In a nutshell 119 Susan Doris 18-Nov-18 05:43
Re: In a nutshell 118 greengirl5 18-Nov-18 11:14
Corrected "demans" to "demands" 114 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 07:36
Glad to be free! 116 greengirl5 16-Nov-18 11:52
God fixation 126 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:37
Re: God fixation 122 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:36
Re: God fixation 134 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:13
Re: God fixation 134 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 07:53


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