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Jock,

I think the way "believe in nothing" is applied to science is in terms of the null hypothesis. One must compare an experimental finding to chance--and by rejecting chance as an explanation one has supported a claim.

If one can't reject chance, one goes back to the drawing board.

A scientific claim is never fully supported--but is bolstered by replications and related findings which also cannot be satisfactorily explained by chance.

The intent is to reject chance, and when we can't, we try to design a better experiment.

I think philosophically one wants to (maybe even must) reject the belief in nothing--even if the alternative proof is a bit insufficient--just like we must reject the null hypothesis in science. Belief in experience of some kind may be a good start.

Those who would challenge any alternative cannot accept the "nothing" hypothesis any more than scientists with the null hypothesis. IMO, most real atheists reject spiritual hypotheses in favor of materialist alternatives, not philosophical "nothing"--and they must prove them against "nothing"--just like spiritualists.

Ray

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Negative proof theory 1044 greengirl5 12-Nov-18 20:38
Re: Negative proof theory 200 Jock 12-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Negative proof theory 187 Itatw70s 12-Nov-18 21:04
Re: Negative proof theory 173 Jock 13-Nov-18 00:00
Re: Negative proof theory 174 Enigcom 12-Nov-18 22:39
Re: Negative proof theory 172 Jock 13-Nov-18 00:01
Re: Negative proof theory 184 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 00:22
Re: Negative proof theory 161 Jock 13-Nov-18 01:55
Re: Negative proof theory 161 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:27
Re: Negative proof theory 171 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:50
Re: Negative proof theory 166 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 02:00
Half believing 170 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 01:49
I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 184 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 01:56
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 180 Jock 13-Nov-18 06:43
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 183 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 08:53
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 171 Jock 14-Nov-18 00:10
Surprise! 173 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 00:23
Re: I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow 168 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:33
Re: Half believing 167 Jock 13-Nov-18 01:57
Re: Half believing 185 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 02:05
Re: Half believing 171 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:40
Re: Half believing 178 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:00
Re: Negative proof theory 187 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:34
Believe it or not 166 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:13
Re: Believe it or not 185 Itatw70s 13-Nov-18 12:53
The parallel in science 172 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 01:13
Re: The parallel in science 164 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:09
Waiting? 172 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 06:12
Re: Waiting? 156 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 06:34
Re: Waiting? 173 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 12:02
Sticking to science 167 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 07:00
Re: Sticking to science 174 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 07:52
Re: Sticking to science 156 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 12:05
Re: The parallel in science 168 Jock 15-Nov-18 00:44
Re: The parallel in science 167 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 01:50
Null hypothesis 172 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 02:56
Ah, nothing! 164 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:23
Re: Null hypothesis 169 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 15:25
Re: Null hypothesis 171 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 18:02
Re: Negative proof theory 296 Poster Boy 18-Nov-18 17:49
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 186 Eddie Larry 13-Nov-18 23:58
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 168 Jock 14-Nov-18 00:07
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 175 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 00:29
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 180 Jock 14-Nov-18 05:20
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 173 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 16:33
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 182 Jock 15-Nov-18 01:52
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 158 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 03:23
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 171 Jock 15-Nov-18 05:12
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) 150 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 15:00
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 163 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 00:30
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 160 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 00:43
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 174 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 01:57
Re: Negative proof theory (NPT) or P.D. 161 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 01:58
WOW! 160 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 06:30
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 175 Jock 14-Nov-18 05:22
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 158 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 16:40
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 172 Jock 15-Nov-18 00:21
Re: Negative proof is not a theory. 166 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 02:14
Karl Popper 175 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Karl Popper 162 Eddie Larry 15-Nov-18 02:19
Answering myself 168 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:14
Re: Answering myself 181 Jock 15-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Answering myself 175 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 03:27
Re: Answering myself 147 Jock 15-Nov-18 05:14
Re: Answering myself 157 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 06:57
Re: Answering myself 201 jazzmumbles 15-Nov-18 16:48
Re: Answering myself 181 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 21:22
Re: Negative proof theory 180 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 12:45
Scientific proof 157 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 15:02
Re: Scientific proof 171 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 15:53
you're missing the point 182 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 19:08
Re: you're missing the point 168 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:58
Re: you're missing the point 150 Jock 14-Nov-18 21:58
Re: you're missing the point 174 Eddie Larry 14-Nov-18 22:22
Re: you're missing the point 182 Jock 14-Nov-18 22:36
Re: you're missing the point 176 drrayeye 14-Nov-18 23:06
Re: Scientific proof 159 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Scientific proof 172 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:08
Re: Scientific proof 155 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:00
Re: Scientific proof 179 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:42
Re: Negative proof theory 170 Enigcom 14-Nov-18 17:26
Re: Negative proof theory 172 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Negative proof theory 167 Enigcom 14-Nov-18 18:11
Re: Negative proof theory 180 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 21:15
Re: Negative proof theory 163 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Negative proof theory 171 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:08
Re: Negative proof theory 158 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 07:49
Re: Negative proof theory 175 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 09:07
Re: Negative proof theory 171 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 13:19
scientism and young minds 175 drrayeye 15-Nov-18 19:40
Re: scientism and young minds 176 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 06:44
From the rabbit hole again 164 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 07:49
Re: From the rabbit hole again 161 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 08:22
Re: From the rabbit hole again 168 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 12:33
Re: From the rabbit hole again 162 Susan Doris 16-Nov-18 13:36
In a nutshell 171 greengirl5 16-Nov-18 21:23
Re: In a nutshell 160 Susan Doris 17-Nov-18 05:58
Re: In a nutshell 154 greengirl5 17-Nov-18 21:29
Re: In a nutshell 174 Susan Doris 18-Nov-18 05:43
Re: In a nutshell 165 greengirl5 18-Nov-18 11:14
Corrected "demans" to "demands" 165 drrayeye 16-Nov-18 07:36
Glad to be free! 168 greengirl5 16-Nov-18 11:52
God fixation 177 greengirl5 14-Nov-18 20:37
Re: God fixation 157 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 06:36
Re: God fixation 189 greengirl5 15-Nov-18 07:13
Re: God fixation 179 Susan Doris 15-Nov-18 07:53


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