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Eddie, maybe a word to you, and a superstition to Susan. To me a force, THE force, and I dont mean gravity!

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Eddie Larry Wrote:
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Susan opined
> it is as clear as can be I think that ancient
> people decided that there were forces which did
> things because of human behaviour , thus leading
> to the invention of gods. This is, and has been
> ever since, the alternative superstition, but
> people who are believers do not like the idea that
> such beliefs can easily be labelled superstitions.
> Because of the increasing scientific understanding
> of the natural world and the universe, those who
> command the loyalty of billions for their
> religions must invent less and less credible
> falsehoods to explain. Such as, 'god is beyond
> time and space'
>
>
> Actually Susan, I think that what ancient people
> decided was that there were forces of Nature that
> did NOT do what people wanted. Like volcanoes,
> storms, earthquakes etc. We call them, even
> today, forces of nature. They can still destroy
> us and our plans. I suggest that what was
> superstitious was thinking people could do things
> which avert these natural processes.
>
> So I take it now that “alternative superstition
> “ simply means ancient superstitions or
> Susan’s interpretation of ancient superstitions.
>
>
> In terms of your last two sentences, I think that
> modern religions have already handled the issues
> of ancient or original superstitions quite well.
> God for modern religions is really tied to the
> concept of good or goodness. Especially, a
> lifestyle based on love of life and reciprocity
> towards one’s neighbors.
>
> Now the notion that ‘god is beyond space and
> time’ was a later notion based on the idea that
> the machinery that drove the world was just past
> the pearl blue sky. Was it Albrect Durer who did
> the famous painting of man peering into the
> clockwork just beyond what we see?
>
> You know Susan, god does not have to be
> interpreted as a “supernatural existent” and ,
> if so, then you don’t have an argument at all.
> I can only suggest being careful with the argument
> of supernatural reality. It works both ways.
> IMO, of course.
>
> My definition is simple, god is the word people
> use to name the meaning they find in life. Not
> “supernatural “ at all.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Edited for typos.

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Free will or not? 986 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 163 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 133 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 121 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 125 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 121 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 118 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 112 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 119 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
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Re: The chocolate made me do it 114 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 115 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 123 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 120 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 105 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 107 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 111 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 113 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 105 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 112 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 111 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 117 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 104 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 112 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 113 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 112 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 113 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 103 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 105 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 107 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 108 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 107 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
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Various states of consciousness 109 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 115 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 106 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 106 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 104 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 115 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 111 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 109 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 106 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 108 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 113 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 111 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 105 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 110 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 101 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 100 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 111 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 103 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 105 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 102 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 101 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 101 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 103 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 108 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 104 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 107 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 110 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 116 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 104 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 97 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 100 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
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Re: May the force be with you! 103 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 105 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 103 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 101 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 107 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 102 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 101 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
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Re: Pathological disbeliever 104 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 110 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
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Re: Whose fault? 103 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 111 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 104 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 105 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 96 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 103 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 102 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 101 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 103 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 94 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 94 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 102 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 101 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
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N R F 104 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 105 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 102 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 177 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 105 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 103 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 102 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
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Re: another day--another rant. 104 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
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Re: Various states of consciousness 95 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 100 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
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Re: Free will or not? 111 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 104 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 108 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 98 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 109 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 103 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 107 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 98 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
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Re: Completely off the wall 106 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
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Re: Completely off the wall 101 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
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Re: Evolution is intelligent. 125 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
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Re: So what is God to you? 107 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
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