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Eddie, maybe a word to you, and a superstition to Susan. To me a force, THE force, and I dont mean gravity!

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Eddie Larry Wrote:
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Susan opined
> it is as clear as can be I think that ancient
> people decided that there were forces which did
> things because of human behaviour , thus leading
> to the invention of gods. This is, and has been
> ever since, the alternative superstition, but
> people who are believers do not like the idea that
> such beliefs can easily be labelled superstitions.
> Because of the increasing scientific understanding
> of the natural world and the universe, those who
> command the loyalty of billions for their
> religions must invent less and less credible
> falsehoods to explain. Such as, 'god is beyond
> time and space'
>
>
> Actually Susan, I think that what ancient people
> decided was that there were forces of Nature that
> did NOT do what people wanted. Like volcanoes,
> storms, earthquakes etc. We call them, even
> today, forces of nature. They can still destroy
> us and our plans. I suggest that what was
> superstitious was thinking people could do things
> which avert these natural processes.
>
> So I take it now that “alternative superstition
> “ simply means ancient superstitions or
> Susan’s interpretation of ancient superstitions.
>
>
> In terms of your last two sentences, I think that
> modern religions have already handled the issues
> of ancient or original superstitions quite well.
> God for modern religions is really tied to the
> concept of good or goodness. Especially, a
> lifestyle based on love of life and reciprocity
> towards one’s neighbors.
>
> Now the notion that ‘god is beyond space and
> time’ was a later notion based on the idea that
> the machinery that drove the world was just past
> the pearl blue sky. Was it Albrect Durer who did
> the famous painting of man peering into the
> clockwork just beyond what we see?
>
> You know Susan, god does not have to be
> interpreted as a “supernatural existent” and ,
> if so, then you don’t have an argument at all.
> I can only suggest being careful with the argument
> of supernatural reality. It works both ways.
> IMO, of course.
>
> My definition is simple, god is the word people
> use to name the meaning they find in life. Not
> “supernatural “ at all.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Edited for typos.

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Re: Free will or not? 101 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 93 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 96 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 93 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 87 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 84 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 91 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
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Re: The chocolate made me do it 86 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 87 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 90 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 91 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 77 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 77 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 83 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 82 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 75 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 77 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 75 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 77 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
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Re: Various states of consciousness 81 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 76 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 78 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 76 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
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Re: you're totally lost here 80 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 78 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 77 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
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Re: Various states of consciousness 81 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 76 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 74 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
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Not a materialist 79 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 74 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 76 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 74 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 73 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 73 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 76 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 80 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 78 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 77 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 82 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 83 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 71 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 69 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 72 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
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Re: May the force be with you! 70 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 74 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 74 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 72 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
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Re: Religious leaders and others 71 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
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Re: Whose fault? 75 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 81 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
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Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 71 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 73 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 72 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 76 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
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Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 68 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 74 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 73 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
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N R F 77 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 74 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 71 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
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Re: Superstitious behavior 74 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 69 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
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Re: Various states of consciousness 74 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
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Re: Free will or not? 76 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 76 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
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