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Eddie, maybe a word to you, and a superstition to Susan. To me a force, THE force, and I dont mean gravity!

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Eddie Larry Wrote:
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Susan opined
> it is as clear as can be I think that ancient
> people decided that there were forces which did
> things because of human behaviour , thus leading
> to the invention of gods. This is, and has been
> ever since, the alternative superstition, but
> people who are believers do not like the idea that
> such beliefs can easily be labelled superstitions.
> Because of the increasing scientific understanding
> of the natural world and the universe, those who
> command the loyalty of billions for their
> religions must invent less and less credible
> falsehoods to explain. Such as, 'god is beyond
> time and space'
>
>
> Actually Susan, I think that what ancient people
> decided was that there were forces of Nature that
> did NOT do what people wanted. Like volcanoes,
> storms, earthquakes etc. We call them, even
> today, forces of nature. They can still destroy
> us and our plans. I suggest that what was
> superstitious was thinking people could do things
> which avert these natural processes.
>
> So I take it now that “alternative superstition
> “ simply means ancient superstitions or
> Susan’s interpretation of ancient superstitions.
>
>
> In terms of your last two sentences, I think that
> modern religions have already handled the issues
> of ancient or original superstitions quite well.
> God for modern religions is really tied to the
> concept of good or goodness. Especially, a
> lifestyle based on love of life and reciprocity
> towards one’s neighbors.
>
> Now the notion that ‘god is beyond space and
> time’ was a later notion based on the idea that
> the machinery that drove the world was just past
> the pearl blue sky. Was it Albrect Durer who did
> the famous painting of man peering into the
> clockwork just beyond what we see?
>
> You know Susan, god does not have to be
> interpreted as a “supernatural existent” and ,
> if so, then you don’t have an argument at all.
> I can only suggest being careful with the argument
> of supernatural reality. It works both ways.
> IMO, of course.
>
> My definition is simple, god is the word people
> use to name the meaning they find in life. Not
> “supernatural “ at all.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Edited for typos.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 1123 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 220 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 178 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 161 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 164 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 160 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 163 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 152 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 158 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 151 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 150 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 155 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 170 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 165 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 144 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 148 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 156 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 150 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 144 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 152 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 149 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 157 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 145 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 151 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 149 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 147 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 154 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 139 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 147 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 144 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 144 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 146 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 145 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 146 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 153 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 144 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 144 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 155 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 147 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 148 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 145 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 148 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 166 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 151 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 140 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 149 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 138 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 139 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 151 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 140 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 145 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 137 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 141 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 137 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 144 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 147 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 144 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 149 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 161 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 159 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 133 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 136 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 143 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 144 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 150 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 142 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 140 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 157 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 142 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 151 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 150 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 142 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 150 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 144 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 143 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 147 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 147 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 158 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 136 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 142 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 141 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 139 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 139 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 132 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 132 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 135 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 144 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 133 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 135 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 143 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 149 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 139 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 252 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 143 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 137 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 148 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 136 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 143 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 133 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 124 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 129 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 138 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 159 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 153 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 162 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 143 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 144 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 132 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 146 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 137 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 151 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 131 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 143 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 150 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 135 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 139 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 137 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 137 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
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Re: Evolution is intelligent. 172 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 157 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 151 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 152 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 150 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 158 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 142 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 150 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 144 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 162 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 157 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 151 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 161 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 158 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 161 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 155 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 149 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 152 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 163 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 166 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 169 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 172 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 177 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
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