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it is as clear as can be I think that ancient people decided that there were forces which did things because of human behaviour , thus leading to the invention of gods. This is, and has been ever since, the alternative superstition, but people who are believers do not like the idea that such beliefs can easily be labelled superstitions. Because of the increasing scientific understanding of the natural world and the universe, those who command the loyalty of billions for their religions must invent less and less credible falsehoods to explain. Such as, 'god is beyond time and space'

Actually Susan, I think that what ancient people decided was that there were forces of Nature that did NOT do what people wanted. Like volcanoes, storms, earthquakes etc. We call them, even today, forces of nature. They can still destroy us and our plans. I suggest that what was superstitious was thinking people could do things which avert these natural processes.

So I take it now that “alternative superstition “ simply means ancient superstitions or Susan’s interpretation of ancient superstitions.

In terms of your last two sentences, I think that modern religions have already handled the issues of ancient or original superstitions quite well. God for modern religions is really tied to the concept of good or goodness. Especially, a lifestyle based on love of life and reciprocity towards one’s neighbors.

Now the notion that ‘god is beyond space and time’ was a later notion based on the idea that the machinery that drove the world was just past the pearl blue sky. Was it Albrect Durer who did the famous painting of man peering into the clockwork just beyond what we see?

You know Susan, god does not have to be interpreted as a “supernatural existent” and , if so, then you don’t have an argument at all. I can only suggest being careful with the argument of supernatural reality. It works both ways. IMO, of course.

My definition is simple, god is the word people use to name the meaning they find in life. Not “supernatural “ at all.

Hope this helps!

Edited for typos.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10-Nov-18 00:01 by Eddie Larry.

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Re: Free will or not? 128 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 106 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 98 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 101 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 97 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 91 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 88 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 96 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
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Re: The chocolate made me do it 90 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 91 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 94 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 95 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 82 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 82 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
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Re: Security and randomness 81 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 87 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 79 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 80 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 82 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 80 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 82 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
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Various states of consciousness 84 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 80 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 83 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 91 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
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Re: you're totally lost here 85 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 82 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 83 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 85 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 79 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 78 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 87 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 79 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 81 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 78 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 78 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 78 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 87 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 91 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 76 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 73 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 77 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
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Re: May the force be with you! 75 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 79 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 79 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 76 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
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Re: Religious leaders and others 75 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
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Whose fault? 81 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 79 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 86 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
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Re: Whose fault? 76 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
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Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 76 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
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Re: Superstitious behavior 80 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 74 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
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Re: Various states of consciousness 78 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
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Re: Free will or not? 84 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
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