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Susan,

I once carried out an experiment in a rat lab with a starving (very hungry) rat in a Skinner box. I placed the rat in the box with a feeder bin that could either be controlled by the rat (pushing on a lever)--or by me (pushing a button). At first, the rat circled the floor unaware of the lever/food association--so I pushed the button whenever the rat was in the vicinity of the feeding bin. One time the rat brushed against the lever with its tail and managed to elicit a food pellet.

From then on, the rat stayed near the food bin and periodically rubbed its tail against the lever: superstitious behavior.

In this case, superstitious behavior was failing to discern the appropriate connection between behavior and reward, but, luckily, making an inappropriate response that was associated with the reward.

Are you saying that my Christianity (or any organized Religion) is the wrong (superstitious) behavior that finds the reward anyway--or that there is no reward?

Ray

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Free will or not? 1051 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 192 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 156 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 143 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 146 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 140 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 139 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 131 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 139 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 133 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 131 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 136 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 145 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 143 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 122 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 129 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 133 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 133 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 126 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 131 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 130 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 136 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 127 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 131 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 133 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 129 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 133 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 121 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 128 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 126 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 127 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 129 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 127 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 127 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 136 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 128 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 124 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 127 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 138 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 131 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 129 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 126 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 129 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 134 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 132 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 126 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 130 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 121 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 120 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 129 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 124 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 123 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 121 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 118 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 118 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 125 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 126 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 125 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 125 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 131 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 143 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 123 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 116 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 119 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 120 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 125 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 124 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 121 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 119 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 129 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 122 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 121 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 127 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 123 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 128 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 124 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 121 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 128 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 122 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 124 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 112 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 123 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 123 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 120 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 122 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 112 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 112 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 118 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 122 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 114 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 119 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 123 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 125 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 118 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 212 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 126 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 120 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 120 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 119 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 126 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 117 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 107 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 114 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 121 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 134 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 134 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 137 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 124 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 126 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 114 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 127 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 121 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 127 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 116 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 125 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 129 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 120 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 122 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 118 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 116 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 143 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 146 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 132 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 132 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 130 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 134 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 136 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 126 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 133 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 128 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 142 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 140 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 134 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 143 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 143 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 143 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 138 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 134 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 138 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 147 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 150 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 148 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 156 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 160 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 124 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 134 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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