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Susan,

I once carried out an experiment in a rat lab with a starving (very hungry) rat in a Skinner box. I placed the rat in the box with a feeder bin that could either be controlled by the rat (pushing on a lever)--or by me (pushing a button). At first, the rat circled the floor unaware of the lever/food association--so I pushed the button whenever the rat was in the vicinity of the feeding bin. One time the rat brushed against the lever with its tail and managed to elicit a food pellet.

From then on, the rat stayed near the food bin and periodically rubbed its tail against the lever: superstitious behavior.

In this case, superstitious behavior was failing to discern the appropriate connection between behavior and reward, but, luckily, making an inappropriate response that was associated with the reward.

Are you saying that my Christianity (or any organized Religion) is the wrong (superstitious) behavior that finds the reward anyway--or that there is no reward?

Ray

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Free will or not? 1181 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 238 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 198 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 181 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 176 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 175 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 179 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 166 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 177 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 159 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 160 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 175 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 181 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 175 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 154 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 162 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 172 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 166 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 155 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 161 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 162 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 167 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 163 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 161 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 158 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 158 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 167 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 150 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 166 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 160 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 157 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 157 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 158 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 158 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 167 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 161 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 166 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 166 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 161 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 162 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 161 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 162 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 186 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 167 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 162 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 159 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 157 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 163 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 154 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 157 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 159 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 155 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 145 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 166 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 158 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 158 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 164 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 186 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 183 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 146 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 153 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 159 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 155 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 162 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 160 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 150 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 175 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 151 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 172 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 166 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 161 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 159 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 154 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 161 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 156 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 165 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 170 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 150 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 165 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 152 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 150 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 155 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 148 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 146 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 146 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 160 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 151 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 148 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 152 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 161 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 148 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 286 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 162 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 150 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 159 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 152 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 162 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 141 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 131 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 140 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 169 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 163 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 181 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 155 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 162 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 148 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 156 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 148 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 167 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 149 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 155 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 168 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 146 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 147 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 155 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 156 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 189 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 188 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 177 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 159 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 173 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 161 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 175 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 153 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 166 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 157 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 180 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 169 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 170 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 171 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 168 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 175 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 174 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 166 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 167 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 175 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 193 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 192 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 185 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 192 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 155 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 161 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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