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All this is so scientific!

I will just add in my own un-scientific words that there is a "state" many of us have been in from time to time. I don't know if it has a name, probably not.
it is a state wherein you are warned about something dangerous or unpleasant, shortly before it happens. It could also take a bit longer to happen, but it is a forewarning which there seems no reason for, nor any possibility of us knowing it in any other way, than "something tells us". None of the normal senses comes into play. Aha, of course it has a name - the sixth sense! I forgot. It has worked for me several times.

Susan will no doubt put it to either chance or delusion or something else, just to explain it away. Well. You weren't there!

Ray, I don't suppose a scientist would have anything to do with the sixth sense? We have our free will to take notice of and trust the sixth sense warning us, or to reject it and regret it.

What would be your comments to that?

GG.




drrayeye Wrote:
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> Susan,
>
> Being conscious or unconscious are subjective
> states known to all of us. Many have introspected
> about these subjective states: being conscious was
> associated with being awake--and being unconscious
> was associated with being asleep. Many thinkers
> developed general models or theories to explain
> these subjective states. During the late 19th and
> early 20th century, psychiatrists in medicine
> applied some of these insights into practical
> applications that appeared to improve mental
> health.
>
> Beginning in the 19th century, experimental
> scientists began to go beyond simple introspection
> to discover what was going on in these states. To
> carry out truly scientific investigations,
> investigators could only study a small part of
> consciousness, and almost nothing of the
> unconscious. People in the medical field, and
> clinical psychologist felt that subjective reports
> about unconscious experiences--sometimes dream
> reports--were sufficient to improve mental health
> without any truly scientific support.
>
> By now, the clinical approach has come under more
> scrutiny, and the scientific approach has
> broadened. But still, experimental scientific
> cognitive research only investigates a tiny sliver
> of what could be learned about consciousness--and
> an even tinier sliver of what might be learned
> about the unconscious.
>
> Ray

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Free will or not? 1126 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 223 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 180 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 161 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 165 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 161 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 165 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 152 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 159 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 152 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 150 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 157 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 171 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 167 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 146 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 149 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 157 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 152 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 145 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 153 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 151 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 158 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 146 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 152 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 149 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 149 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 156 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 141 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 147 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 146 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 147 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 147 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 146 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 146 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 155 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 146 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 144 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 156 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 150 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 151 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 146 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 150 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 167 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 152 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 151 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 139 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 140 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 152 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 142 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 146 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 139 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 143 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 138 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 149 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 149 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 160 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 135 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 137 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 145 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 146 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 151 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 142 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 142 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 160 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 144 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 152 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 151 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 142 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 151 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 146 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 144 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 147 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 147 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 159 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 138 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 143 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 142 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 140 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 141 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 135 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 134 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 137 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 146 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 134 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 137 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 144 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 149 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 140 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 255 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 145 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 139 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 150 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 139 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 144 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 134 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 125 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 131 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 139 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 160 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 155 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 163 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 145 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 145 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 133 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 147 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 139 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 152 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 132 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 144 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 151 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 137 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 141 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 137 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 138 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 173 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 174 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 161 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 153 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 153 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 151 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 160 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 144 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 151 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 147 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 163 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 159 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 152 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 162 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 159 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 163 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 155 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 152 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 154 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 165 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 170 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 170 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 173 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 180 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 144 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 155 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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