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Susan,

Experimental cognitive scientists don't study consciousness, because consciousness is not observable or measureable. We study attention. If someone is attending, one is conscious. Likewise, we don't study subconsciousness, preconsciousness, or the unconscious. We study preattentive processes.

There are quite a variety of eye movements that can be controlled by attention: fixation, pursuit, convergence, and accommodation. However, there is one type of eye movement outside of the control of attention: saccadic eye movements. A saccadic eye movement is an example of a preattentive process.

Saccadic eye movements are often elicited by peripheral movement. We make an involuntary saccade to the source of movement, identify a target, and fixate--all of these processes are preattentive--we're not aware of them--but they afford attention driven information processing activities.

I hope this gives you a sense of both what we study and how we study it.

Susan, you say:

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I am talking about a level of consciousness in the brain which precedes the person's awareness of a decision to do something ... and doing it. Do you agree that this has been discovered and found to be correctly
and objectively tested?

Ray: No. I don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

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Although the term 'subconscious' may not be used in scientific papers in relation to particular neurological conditions, I think you will agree that it is a term generally used, and that it refers to the actions we perform automatically etc

Ray: maybe in some novels.

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Free will or not? 919 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
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Re: The chocolate made me do it 90 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
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Re: The chocolate made me do it 94 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 95 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 80 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 87 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
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Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 79 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 79 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 82 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 80 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 82 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
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Various states of consciousness 84 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 80 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 83 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 91 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 84 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 85 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 82 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 83 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 85 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 79 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
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Re: Not a materialist 79 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 81 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 78 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 78 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 78 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 86 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 90 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 76 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 73 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 77 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
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Re: May the force be with you! 75 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 79 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 78 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
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Re: Whose fault? 79 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 76 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 73 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
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Re: Free will or not? 84 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
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