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Any supposed scientific reports you've read that use the word "subconscious" are immediately suspect.
I will check the definition of subconscious later. I will, however, make it clear here that I am talking about a level of consciousness in the brain which precedes the person's awareness of a decision to do something ... and doing it. Do you agree that this has been discovered and found to be correctly and objectively tested?
Although the term 'subconscious' may not be used in scientific papers in relation to particular neurological conditions, I think you will agree that it is a term generally used, and that it refers to the actions we perform automatically etc.
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That's not how cognitive neuroscientists theorize about the control of attention.
That is interesting - have they detected and described aprocess which avoids or skips the pre-attentive awareness?? I don't see how that would work, so please clarify.
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The use of the term "subconscious" brings us away from science to a much discredited psychoanalytic tradition. A scientific term would be "pre-attentive processes," but such processes by no means control conscious attentive processes.
How do they know this? What have they done to show that conscious attentive processes are not controlled, or preceded by … well, what?
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Theories of evolution are about physical, structural development,
Well, if the brain isn’t part of a physical, structural development, what is it?
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not cognitive development Anything you might believe about communication somehow being "explained" by the theory of evolution is pure conjecture.
And I have never said such a thing – please cite if you think I have. I have checked – and you have not used upper case t or e when talking about theory/ies and evolution.
Maybe you did this deliberately in order to allow room for your faith belief?!

Susan

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Free will or not? 845 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 97 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 86 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 79 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 80 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 77 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 70 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 69 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 76 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 70 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 71 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 72 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 74 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 74 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 62 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 61 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 66 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 69 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 61 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 70 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 68 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 71 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 62 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 67 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 66 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 66 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 68 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 58 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 60 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 62 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 59 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 61 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 62 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 65 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 66 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 61 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 62 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 62 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 70 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 64 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 64 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 64 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 62 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 65 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 66 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 61 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 63 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 58 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 56 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 64 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 59 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 58 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 58 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 56 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 57 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 58 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 62 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 59 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 59 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 64 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 69 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 57 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 52 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 55 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 56 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 53 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 57 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 58 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 54 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 60 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 56 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 55 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 60 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 59 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 63 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 60 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 59 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 65 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 57 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 55 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 52 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 54 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 56 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 56 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 60 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 51 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 52 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 57 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 55 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 54 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 58 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 61 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 56 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 56 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 97 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 58 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 58 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 53 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 54 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 56 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 52 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 50 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 53 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 56 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 61 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 71 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 66 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 59 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 59 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 54 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 61 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 58 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 58 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 52 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 60 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 62 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 58 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 56 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 58 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 55 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 79 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 76 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 66 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 63 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 64 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 68 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 67 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 62 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 63 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 63 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 75 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 73 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 69 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 78 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 73 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 80 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 74 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 70 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 75 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 80 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 85 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 83 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 89 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 93 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 64 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 70 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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