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Something told my brain to tell my legs to get up and walk the dogs. It had stopped raining at last, so we could walk. I also pulled out some prickly weeds before they get to hang on to dogs and humans. They call them Bindy here. There will be heaps more out there.

Now I am back in the armchair. I totally understand people's addictions to their phones. But I would rather be outside when the rain stops. Great to get it, though, in my tank. The only water I have. Raining again, but not much. It is foggy, a spooky day, nearly evening. Nice inside.

The chocolate made me get up. It is good for my digestion anyway, so I do not feel guilty. But for other things, what tells the brain a split second earlier to give orders? Why is it not just the brain? Is there something bigger than the brain?

GG.



Susan Doris Wrote:
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> If you take the trouble to look up what science
> has discovered about how we think, you will find
> that, if you were attached to suitable machinery
> all the time, a part of your brain would show
> action a split second before you
> consciously[//I] thought to get up from the
> chair. I understand that these experiments have
> been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If
> you can find better evidence to the contrary,
> please cite it.
>
> The phrase free will is simply two words put
> together to enable us to talk about what certainly
> feels like deciding completely consciously
> to do something. However, if we had evolved to do
> that, then we would not have survived. Just
> because it has only been detected in recent times
> does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we
> know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as
> I have mentioned before, if you want to see a
> never-ending discussion between one really rigid
> mind and ones that are prepared to look for all
> explanations, not just one including a god, then
> go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last
> ten pages.
> It is far more scary to think that we are acting
> entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos.
> I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and
> actions are based on what has already been thought
> and/or what has happened in life.
>
> You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a
> rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking
> that, if that is what you choose to do, but I
> write it down anyway.
>
> Susan
>
>
> greengirl5 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do I? - ok, let me try!
> >
> > Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> > "should" be doing? Why should I do something
> else?
> >
> > Because it is on my own list of things to do,
> and
> > if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams
> at
> > night.
> >
> > I fight with myself all the time, too much to
> do,
> > but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> > and lose my free will.
> >
> > In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now
> it
> > is chocolate.
> >
> > So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> > could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> > little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
> >
> > Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> > places. I use my free will to decide they are
> > right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it
> has
> > done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not
> too
> > much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
> >
> > GG.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eddie Larry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 920 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 128 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 107 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 98 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 101 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 97 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 91 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 88 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 96 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 89 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 90 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 92 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 94 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 96 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 82 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 82 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 87 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 88 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 81 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 89 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 87 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 91 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 81 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 87 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 88 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 79 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 80 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 83 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 80 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 83 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 83 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 84 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 83 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 92 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 84 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 85 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 82 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 84 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 85 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 87 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 79 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 79 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 87 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 80 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 81 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 79 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 78 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 78 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 86 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 82 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 87 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 91 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 77 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 73 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 78 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 79 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 75 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 79 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 79 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 77 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 81 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 78 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 76 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 83 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 81 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 84 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 81 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 80 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 86 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 80 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 76 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 74 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 76 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 78 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 76 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 81 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 72 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 72 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 78 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 77 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 76 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 79 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 81 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 78 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 76 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 134 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 81 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 80 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 74 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 74 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 79 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 75 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 69 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 72 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 78 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 81 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 92 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 85 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 80 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 82 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 75 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 84 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 79 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 80 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 75 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 82 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 81 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 79 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 77 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 79 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 77 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 98 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 97 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 86 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 86 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 86 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 87 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 87 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 82 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 82 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 84 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 95 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 93 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 91 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 99 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 96 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 100 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 95 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 91 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 95 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 100 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 105 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 104 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 111 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 117 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 85 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 90 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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