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If you take the trouble to look up what science has discovered about how we think, you will find that, if you were attached to suitable machinery all the time, a part of your brain would show
action a split second before you consciously[//I] thought to get up from the chair. I understand that these experiments have been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If you can find better evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

The phrase free will is simply two words put together to enable us to talk about what certainly feels like deciding completely consciously to do something. However, if we had evolved to do that, then we would not have survived. Just because it has only been detected in recent times does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as I have mentioned before, if you want to see a never-ending discussion between one really rigid mind and ones that are prepared to look for all explanations, not just one including a god, then go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last ten pages.
It is far more scary to think that we are acting entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos. I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and actions are based on what has already been thought and/or what has happened in life.

You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking that, if that is what you choose to do, but I write it down anyway.

Susan


greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Do I? - ok, let me try!
>
> Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> "should" be doing? Why should I do something else?
>
> Because it is on my own list of things to do, and
> if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams at
> night.
>
> I fight with myself all the time, too much to do,
> but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> and lose my free will.
>
> In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now it
> is chocolate.
>
> So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
>
> Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> places. I use my free will to decide they are
> right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it has
> done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not too
> much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
>
> GG.
>
>
>
> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 1180 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 238 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 197 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 180 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 176 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 175 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 179 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 166 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 176 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 159 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 160 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 174 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 181 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 175 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 154 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 162 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 172 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 166 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 155 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 161 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 162 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 167 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 162 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 161 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 158 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 158 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 167 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 150 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 166 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 160 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 157 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 157 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 158 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 158 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 167 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 161 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 166 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 166 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 161 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 162 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 161 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 162 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 186 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 166 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 161 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 159 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 157 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 163 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 154 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 157 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 159 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 155 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 145 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 165 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 158 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 158 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 163 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 164 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 185 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 183 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 146 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 152 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 159 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 155 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 162 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 159 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 150 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 175 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 151 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 172 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 165 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 160 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 159 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 154 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 161 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 156 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 165 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 170 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 150 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 165 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 152 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 150 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 155 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 148 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 146 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 146 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 160 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 151 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 148 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 152 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 161 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 148 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 286 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 162 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 150 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 159 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 152 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 162 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 141 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 131 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 140 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 145 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 169 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 163 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 181 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 155 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 162 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 148 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 156 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 148 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 167 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 149 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 155 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 168 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 146 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 147 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 154 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 155 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 189 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 188 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 177 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 159 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 172 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 161 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 175 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 153 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 166 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 157 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 180 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 169 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 169 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 171 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 168 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 175 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 174 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 166 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 167 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 175 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 193 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 192 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 185 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 192 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 155 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 161 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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