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If you take the trouble to look up what science has discovered about how we think, you will find that, if you were attached to suitable machinery all the time, a part of your brain would show
action a split second before you consciously[//I] thought to get up from the chair. I understand that these experiments have been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If you can find better evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

The phrase free will is simply two words put together to enable us to talk about what certainly feels like deciding completely consciously to do something. However, if we had evolved to do that, then we would not have survived. Just because it has only been detected in recent times does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as I have mentioned before, if you want to see a never-ending discussion between one really rigid mind and ones that are prepared to look for all explanations, not just one including a god, then go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last ten pages.
It is far more scary to think that we are acting entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos. I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and actions are based on what has already been thought and/or what has happened in life.

You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking that, if that is what you choose to do, but I write it down anyway.

Susan


greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Do I? - ok, let me try!
>
> Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> "should" be doing? Why should I do something else?
>
> Because it is on my own list of things to do, and
> if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams at
> night.
>
> I fight with myself all the time, too much to do,
> but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> and lose my free will.
>
> In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now it
> is chocolate.
>
> So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
>
> Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> places. I use my free will to decide they are
> right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it has
> done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not too
> much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
>
> GG.
>
>
>
> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 1099 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 215 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 174 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 158 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 162 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 157 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 159 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 146 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 155 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 149 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 146 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 150 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 162 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 158 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 139 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 144 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 151 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 149 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 140 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 149 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 147 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 152 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 143 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 148 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 146 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 145 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 150 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 136 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 146 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 143 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 141 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 144 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 142 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 144 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 151 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 139 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 153 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 145 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 145 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 142 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 145 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 153 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 148 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 138 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 147 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 137 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 137 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 146 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 138 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 141 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 135 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 136 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 132 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 143 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 140 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 147 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 159 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 153 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 132 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 134 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 139 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 142 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 148 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 137 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 136 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 148 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 140 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 142 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 147 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 139 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 144 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 141 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 138 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 144 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 141 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 153 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 130 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 141 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 139 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 136 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 138 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 130 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 128 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 133 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 139 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 132 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 133 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 141 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 146 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 134 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 239 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 140 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 135 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 141 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 136 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 143 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 132 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 121 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 129 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 138 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 150 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 151 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 157 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 141 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 142 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 132 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 143 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 136 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 144 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 130 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 142 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 145 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 135 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 139 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 133 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 133 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 164 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 165 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 154 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 148 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 147 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 149 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 158 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 141 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 149 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 143 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 160 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 156 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 149 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 159 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 157 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 159 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 153 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 148 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 152 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 160 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 166 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 167 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 170 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 175 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 139 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 151 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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