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If you take the trouble to look up what science has discovered about how we think, you will find that, if you were attached to suitable machinery all the time, a part of your brain would show
action a split second before you consciously[//I] thought to get up from the chair. I understand that these experiments have been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If you can find better evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

The phrase free will is simply two words put together to enable us to talk about what certainly feels like deciding completely consciously to do something. However, if we had evolved to do that, then we would not have survived. Just because it has only been detected in recent times does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as I have mentioned before, if you want to see a never-ending discussion between one really rigid mind and ones that are prepared to look for all explanations, not just one including a god, then go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last ten pages.
It is far more scary to think that we are acting entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos. I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and actions are based on what has already been thought and/or what has happened in life.

You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking that, if that is what you choose to do, but I write it down anyway.

Susan


greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Do I? - ok, let me try!
>
> Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> "should" be doing? Why should I do something else?
>
> Because it is on my own list of things to do, and
> if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams at
> night.
>
> I fight with myself all the time, too much to do,
> but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> and lose my free will.
>
> In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now it
> is chocolate.
>
> So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
>
> Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> places. I use my free will to decide they are
> right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it has
> done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not too
> much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
>
> GG.
>
>
>
> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 837 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 93 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 84 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 77 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 78 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 74 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 68 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 67 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 73 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 67 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 69 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 70 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 72 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 72 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 60 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 59 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 63 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 66 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 59 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 67 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 66 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 68 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 60 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 65 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 64 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 64 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 66 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 56 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 58 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 59 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 57 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 59 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 60 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 62 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 64 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 59 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 60 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 59 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 68 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 62 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 62 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 62 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 60 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 62 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 64 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 58 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 61 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 56 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 54 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 62 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 56 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 56 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 56 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 54 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 54 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 56 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 60 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 57 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 57 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 62 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 67 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 54 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 49 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 52 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 54 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 51 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 55 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 56 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 51 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 57 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 54 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 52 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 58 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 56 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 61 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 58 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 55 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 63 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 55 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 53 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 49 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 52 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 53 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 54 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 57 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 49 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 49 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 55 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 52 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 52 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 55 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 58 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 54 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 54 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 95 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 56 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 56 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 51 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 52 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 53 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 50 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 47 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 50 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 54 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 58 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 68 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 63 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 57 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 57 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 52 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 59 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 56 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 56 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 50 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 58 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 59 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 56 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 54 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 55 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 52 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 75 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 74 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 64 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 61 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 61 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 66 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 65 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 60 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 61 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 61 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 72 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 71 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 67 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 75 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 71 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 78 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 71 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 68 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 73 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 78 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 83 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 80 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 87 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 91 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 62 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 68 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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