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If you take the trouble to look up what science has discovered about how we think, you will find that, if you were attached to suitable machinery all the time, a part of your brain would show
action a split second before you consciously[//I] thought to get up from the chair. I understand that these experiments have been repeated and demonstrate predictability. If you can find better evidence to the contrary, please cite it.

The phrase free will is simply two words put together to enable us to talk about what certainly feels like deciding completely consciously to do something. However, if we had evolved to do that, then we would not have survived. Just because it has only been detected in recent times does not mean that it is wrong. Many things we know to be correct are counter-intuitive. And, as I have mentioned before, if you want to see a never-ending discussion between one really rigid mind and ones that are prepared to look for all explanations, not just one including a god, then go to R&E, Searching for God, and read the last ten pages.
It is far more scary to think that we are acting entirely randomly all the time - there lies chaos. I like the security ofknowing that my thoughts and actions are based on what has already been thought and/or what has happened in life.

You are also incorrect in thinking that I have a rigid or closed mind. I cant stop you thinking that, if that is what you choose to do, but I write it down anyway.

Susan


greengirl5 Wrote:
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> Do I? - ok, let me try!
>
> Do I keep sitting here or get up to do what I
> "should" be doing? Why should I do something else?
>
> Because it is on my own list of things to do, and
> if I don't do them, I will have stupid dreams at
> night.
>
> I fight with myself all the time, too much to do,
> but I don't want to go to a nursing home either
> and lose my free will.
>
> In the olden days a cigaret made me get up, now it
> is chocolate.
>
> So, where is it? Has it got a hold over me? I
> could have a biscuit in stead of, but had two a
> little while ago. Take up smoking again? No!
>
> Chocolate, dark, good for you it says in many
> places. I use my free will to decide they are
> right. The sellers? The makers? Whatever, it has
> done me no harm so far, but only the dark. Not too
> much sugar. My choice, yeh- ! Free will!
>
> GG.
>
>
>
> Eddie Larry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fine, but you still have to come up with an
> > explanation of free will.

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Free will or not? 1050 greengirl5 04-Nov-18 21:54
Re: Free will or not? 192 Itatw70s 04-Nov-18 22:51
Re: Free will or not? 155 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 00:02
Re: Free will or not? 142 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 03:19
Re: Free will or not? 146 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 04:01
Re: Free will or not? 140 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:01
Re: Free will or not? 139 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 05:10
Re: Free will or not? 131 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 05:25
Re: Free will or not? 138 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 06:18
The chocolate made me do it 133 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 07:35
Re: The chocolate made me do it 131 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 08:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 135 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 09:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 145 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 10:00
Re: The chocolate made me do it 143 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:18
Re: The chocolate made me do it 122 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:57
Re: The chocolate made me do it, but did not make me think! 129 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:25
Re: The chocolate made me do it 133 Eddie Larry 05-Nov-18 15:05
Security and randomness 133 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 08:19
Re: Security and randomness 126 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 12:51
Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 131 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 11:40
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 130 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 12:22
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 136 Itatw70s 05-Nov-18 12:48
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 126 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:35
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 131 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 13:04
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 133 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:28
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 129 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 19:57
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 133 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 20:39
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 121 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 06:21
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 128 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 09:19
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 126 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 10:37
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 127 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:09
Re: Cognitive processes allowing or not allowing free will 129 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:23
scientific vs. clinical perspective on consciousness 127 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 19:01
Various states of consciousness 127 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 136 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:37
Re: Various states of consciousness 128 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 124 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 06:11
Re: Various states of consciousness 127 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 07:28
Re: Various states of consciousness 138 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 08:28
you're totally lost here 131 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:55
Re: you're totally lost here 129 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 09:52
Re: you're totally lost here 126 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 12:02
Re: you're totally lost here 129 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 16:03
Keep the science out 134 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 18:25
Re: Various states of consciousness 131 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 08:58
Re: Various states of consciousness 125 Susan Doris 07-Nov-18 10:14
Re: Various states of consciousness 130 Eddie Larry 07-Nov-18 19:04
Re: Various states of consciousness 121 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:18
Was Einstein a scientist? 120 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 21:55
Not a materialist 129 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 22:14
Re: Not a materialist 124 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:16
Butting in 123 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 06:24
Re: Not a materialist 121 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:30
Re: Not a materialist 118 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 05:58
Re: Not a materialist 118 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:19
Re: Various states of consciousness 124 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:13
Re: Various states of consciousness 126 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 01:08
Re: Various states of consciousness 125 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 02:17
Re: Various states of consciousness 125 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 06:07
Interpretations 131 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 07:23
Re: Various states of consciousness 142 Susan Doris 08-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Various states of consciousness 123 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 18:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 116 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:16
Re: Various states of consciousness 118 Eddie Larry 09-Nov-18 23:57
May the force be with you! 120 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 01:57
Re: May the force be with you! 125 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 02:20
Re: May the force be with you! 124 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 04:10
Re: May the force be with you! 120 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:10
Re: May the force be with you! 119 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:26
Re: Various states of consciousness 129 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:15
Religious leaders and others 122 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 09:55
Re: Religious leaders and others 120 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 12:04
Pathological disbeliever 126 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 20:32
Re: Pathological disbeliever 122 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:01
Re: Various states of consciousness 128 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 14:27
Whose fault? 124 greengirl5 10-Nov-18 21:00
Re: Whose fault? 121 Eddie Larry 10-Nov-18 21:12
Re: Whose fault? 128 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:05
Re: Whose fault? 122 greengirl5 11-Nov-18 06:38
Re: Whose fault? 124 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 07:14
Susan's sociological theory of religions 112 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 19:10
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 123 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 20:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 123 drrayeye 11-Nov-18 02:16
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 120 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 122 Susan Doris 11-Nov-18 12:46
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 112 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 03:54
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 112 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:14
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 118 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 04:11
Re: Susan's sociological theory of religions 122 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 06:29
Maybe a cheer leader for science 114 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:34
"T of E" vs. "t of e"? 119 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 08:41
N R F 123 greengirl5 13-Nov-18 09:28
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 125 Susan Doris 13-Nov-18 17:59
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 118 drrayeye 13-Nov-18 20:16
Re: "T of E" vs. "t of e"? 212 Susan Doris 14-Nov-18 02:16
Superstitious behavior 126 drrayeye 08-Nov-18 20:40
Re: Superstitious behavior 120 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:53
Re: Superstitious behavior 120 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:30
another day--another rant. 119 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 09:15
Re: another day--another rant. 126 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 11:11
Free will 117 drrayeye 10-Nov-18 08:20
Superstitions 107 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 20:48
Re: Various states of consciousness 114 greengirl5 08-Nov-18 20:49
Re: Various states of consciousness 121 Eddie Larry 08-Nov-18 04:08
You're not following 134 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 08:47
Re: Free will or not? 134 Jock 06-Nov-18 17:00
Re: Free will or not? 137 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 18:04
Re: Free will or not? 124 Jock 08-Nov-18 21:38
Re: Free will or not? 126 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 06:41
Re: Free will or not? 114 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 07:32
Re: Free will or not? 127 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 07:48
Completely off the wall 121 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 13:01
Re: Completely off the wall 127 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 13:56
Re: Completely off the wall 116 drrayeye 09-Nov-18 18:00
Re: Completely off the wall 125 Susan Doris 09-Nov-18 18:31
Re: Completely off the wall 129 Jock 09-Nov-18 20:11
Contumelious 120 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:29
Re: Completely off the wall 122 Susan Doris 10-Nov-18 08:25
Re: Completely off the wall 117 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:17
Re-education 115 greengirl5 09-Nov-18 21:08
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 143 M. J. Thomas 05-Nov-18 14:45
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 146 drrayeye 05-Nov-18 15:46
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 132 M. J. Thomas 06-Nov-18 10:43
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 132 drrayeye 06-Nov-18 14:13
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 129 Susan Doris 06-Nov-18 14:28
So what is God to you? 134 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:47
Re: So what is God to you? 136 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 00:48
Re: So what is God to you? 126 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:21
Re: So what is God to you? 133 drrayeye 07-Nov-18 01:38
Re: So what is God to you? 128 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 02:07
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 142 Susan Doris 05-Nov-18 20:04
Re: Evolution is intelligent. 140 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:51
Me too! 133 greengirl5 05-Nov-18 22:47
No-Name freedom.... 143 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 01:12
The way 143 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 02:19
Re: Free will or not? 143 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 12:25
Re: Free will or not? 138 Eddie Larry 06-Nov-18 14:34
Re: Free will or not? 134 Itatw70s 06-Nov-18 16:42
Way to go! 138 greengirl5 06-Nov-18 21:52
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 147 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 00:41
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 150 greengirl5 07-Nov-18 01:24
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 148 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 12:40
Re: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 156 Enigcom 07-Nov-18 16:15
Re: Free will or not? 160 Itatw70s 07-Nov-18 20:55
Re: Free will or not? 124 Enigcom 11-Nov-18 22:10
Re: Free will or not? 134 wilpsy3 10-Nov-18 21:39


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