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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that.
There is enough known about the functions of the brain, the various chemical and electrical changes that occur in the brain, to say with confidence that happiness is something all humans experience, whatever actual label they use to articulate it. Not every 'i' has been dotted, nor every 't' crossed, yet, but I think that you would agree that a great deal is known. The same applies to sadness of course. And since we are animals, similar effects in the brain have, I believe, been registered in many species.
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So, why ask others such impossible questions?
Well, I wouldn't call them 'impossible'! And where would discussion forums be without questions of all sorts?!!
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Let me be clear about another thing, Lloyd. I don't think that Susan's question or her topic here is 'silly'. On the contrary, I think it's worthy of discussion which is not something I find here a lot anymore.
Thank you for saying.
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At the end of the day, Susan believes that there is no sin and that we only make mistakes. That, I would say, is incorrect and is not very well considered. I would say, further, that the reason why it isn't considered is because Susan has a very strong secular bias. To say that a serial pedophile, rapist, etc etc etc simply makes "mistakes" is, in my opinion, not silly but ridiculous.
I agree - which is why I have not said that. I used the word 'mistake' at the start but have since qualified it many times.

Susan

That said, I agree with Nolondil that Susan has raised an indirectly related point here, that being the extent to which we are guilt driven by people who would make us feel incarerated by such things, if we let them.

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Sin - do you?! 997 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 133 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 133 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 133 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 123 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 122 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 124 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 107 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 125 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 123 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 153 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 128 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 114 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 121 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 121 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 118 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 141 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 168 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 120 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 119 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 116 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 119 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 117 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 120 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 174 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 114 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 111 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 110 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 120 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 124 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 110 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 118 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 134 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 140 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 152 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 127 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 112 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 109 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 109 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 108 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 116 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 119 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 113 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 110 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 143 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 123 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 190 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 151 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 181 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 121 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 116 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 105 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 115 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 134 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 105 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 135 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 109 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 135 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 109 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 107 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 109 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 115 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 111 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 149 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 117 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 121 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 143 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 113 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 119 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 113 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 110 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 110 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 140 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 109 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 150 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 112 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 108 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 112 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 113 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 110 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 117 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 110 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 144 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 147 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 141 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 180 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 118 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 132 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 122 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 139 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 108 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 112 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 139 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 113 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 110 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 138 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 111 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 129 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 110 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 97 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 110 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 148 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 140 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 109 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 117 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 115 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 107 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 120 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 115 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 115 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 124 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 120 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 119 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 116 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 98 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 119 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 117 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 114 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 115 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 120 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 116 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 130 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 131 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 136 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 211 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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