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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that.
There is enough known about the functions of the brain, the various chemical and electrical changes that occur in the brain, to say with confidence that happiness is something all humans experience, whatever actual label they use to articulate it. Not every 'i' has been dotted, nor every 't' crossed, yet, but I think that you would agree that a great deal is known. The same applies to sadness of course. And since we are animals, similar effects in the brain have, I believe, been registered in many species.
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So, why ask others such impossible questions?
Well, I wouldn't call them 'impossible'! And where would discussion forums be without questions of all sorts?!!
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Let me be clear about another thing, Lloyd. I don't think that Susan's question or her topic here is 'silly'. On the contrary, I think it's worthy of discussion which is not something I find here a lot anymore.
Thank you for saying.
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At the end of the day, Susan believes that there is no sin and that we only make mistakes. That, I would say, is incorrect and is not very well considered. I would say, further, that the reason why it isn't considered is because Susan has a very strong secular bias. To say that a serial pedophile, rapist, etc etc etc simply makes "mistakes" is, in my opinion, not silly but ridiculous.
I agree - which is why I have not said that. I used the word 'mistake' at the start but have since qualified it many times.

Susan

That said, I agree with Nolondil that Susan has raised an indirectly related point here, that being the extent to which we are guilt driven by people who would make us feel incarerated by such things, if we let them.

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Sin - do you?! 1106 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 174 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 170 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 173 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 157 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 145 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 153 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 155 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 208 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 158 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 170 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 201 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 169 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 150 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 149 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 161 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 156 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 179 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 196 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 141 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 148 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 147 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 158 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 147 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 159 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 232 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 147 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 153 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 140 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 172 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 184 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 188 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 182 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 166 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 155 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 137 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 149 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 140 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 156 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 158 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 143 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 140 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 193 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 162 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 216 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 180 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 221 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 146 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 157 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 140 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 149 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 162 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 130 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 177 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 135 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 193 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 134 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 153 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 137 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 194 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 158 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 177 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 145 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 152 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 152 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 138 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 146 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 172 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 143 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 180 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 141 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 144 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 141 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 150 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 147 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 170 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 176 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 173 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 221 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 144 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 168 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 152 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 183 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 148 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 156 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 178 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 146 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 143 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 173 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 158 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 135 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 126 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 150 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 192 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 206 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 147 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 141 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 150 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 159 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 138 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 142 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 153 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 161 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 150 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 148 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 150 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 146 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 160 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 147 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 160 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 203 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 154 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 148 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 166 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 156 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 171 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 198 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 262 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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