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Poster Boy
This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1082 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 178 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 166 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 163 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 166 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 156 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 152 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 141 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 152 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 125 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 145 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 143 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 197 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 193 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 162 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 143 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 142 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 154 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 147 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 177 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 171 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 189 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 135 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 141 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 140 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 138 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 150 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 140 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 151 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 221 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 137 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 143 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 133 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 142 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 142 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 156 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 140 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 152 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 137 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 138 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 167 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 179 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 175 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 158 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 148 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 131 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 141 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 129 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 148 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 150 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 133 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 132 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 185 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 155 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 209 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 172 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 139 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 149 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 133 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 139 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 153 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 122 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 170 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 129 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 184 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 128 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 128 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 136 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 145 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 131 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 185 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 149 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 143 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 169 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 136 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 144 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 144 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 130 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 139 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 163 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 135 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 172 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 134 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 137 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 143 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 135 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 132 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 141 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 139 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 163 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 167 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 164 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 213 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 137 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 160 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 145 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 175 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 139 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 147 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 169 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 138 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 161 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 143 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 128 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 121 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 141 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 183 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 197 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 139 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 143 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 150 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 131 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 152 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 135 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 146 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 154 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 143 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 141 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 143 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 138 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 127 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 152 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 140 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 153 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 190 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 147 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 142 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 149 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 159 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 149 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 164 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 191 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 254 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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