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Poster Boy
This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1045 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 158 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 133 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 134 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 135 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 116 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 130 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 127 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 138 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 133 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 141 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 175 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 134 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 175 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 142 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 122 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 132 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 132 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 129 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 169 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 152 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 180 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 130 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 127 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 132 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 131 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 132 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 196 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 126 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 124 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 123 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 136 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 134 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 132 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 118 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 127 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 163 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 137 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 124 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 118 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 119 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 118 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 127 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 130 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 125 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 122 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 164 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 133 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 200 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 160 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 192 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 130 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 126 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 114 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 126 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 144 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 113 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 149 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 119 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 159 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 119 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 117 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 117 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 125 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 121 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 161 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 128 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 131 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 156 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 126 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 132 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 124 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 120 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 120 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 149 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 118 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 161 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 124 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 118 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 122 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 125 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 123 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 129 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 120 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 154 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 157 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 153 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 193 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 129 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 142 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 133 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 154 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 118 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 124 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 125 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 125 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 152 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 123 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 140 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 120 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 103 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 121 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 160 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 171 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 120 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 125 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 134 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 129 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 119 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 131 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 126 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 126 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 134 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 130 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 129 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 123 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 128 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 106 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 129 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 129 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 128 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 175 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 125 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 130 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 128 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 140 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 140 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 146 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 171 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 235 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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