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Poster Boy
This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1106 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 174 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 170 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 173 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 157 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 163 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 161 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 145 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 153 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 155 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 208 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 158 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 170 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 201 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 169 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 149 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 148 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 161 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 156 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 184 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 178 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 195 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 141 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 148 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 146 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 147 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 158 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 147 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 159 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 232 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 146 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 153 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 140 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 163 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 172 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 143 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 145 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 153 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 184 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 188 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 182 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 166 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 155 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 137 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 149 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 139 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 156 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 158 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 143 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 140 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 193 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 162 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 216 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 179 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 220 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 145 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 156 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 140 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 149 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 162 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 129 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 177 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 135 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 192 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 134 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 153 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 137 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 194 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 158 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 177 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 152 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 152 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 137 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 146 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 172 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 143 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 179 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 140 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 144 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 141 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 150 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 146 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 169 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 176 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 173 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 221 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 144 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 168 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 183 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 148 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 156 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 178 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 146 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 143 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 172 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 158 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 135 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 126 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 150 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 192 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 206 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 147 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 141 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 149 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 159 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 138 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 142 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 153 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 161 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 150 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 148 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 150 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 146 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 159 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 146 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 160 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 202 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 154 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 148 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 166 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 156 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 171 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 198 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 262 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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