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Poster Boy
This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 984 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 130 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 129 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 124 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 129 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 118 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 120 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 116 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 112 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 104 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 112 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 121 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 158 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 119 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 125 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 145 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 123 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 110 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 118 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 116 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 113 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 136 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 111 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 116 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 114 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 111 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 115 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 111 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 116 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 166 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 109 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 106 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 107 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 116 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 114 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 116 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 113 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 111 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 118 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 106 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 112 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 113 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 129 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 134 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 149 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 122 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 108 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 104 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 104 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 105 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 111 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 109 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 106 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 136 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 118 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 180 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 146 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 171 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 116 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 112 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 100 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 111 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 129 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 102 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 130 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 105 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 129 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 104 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 103 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 105 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 111 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 107 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 139 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 112 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 118 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 133 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 109 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 114 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 108 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 106 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 105 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 130 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 102 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 140 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 108 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 103 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 108 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 110 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 105 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 113 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 105 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 140 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 143 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 135 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 171 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 115 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 127 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 118 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 132 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 103 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 107 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 133 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 108 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 105 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 133 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 107 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 123 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 106 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 94 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 105 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 141 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 131 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 104 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 109 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 111 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 110 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 102 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 115 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 112 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 110 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 117 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 116 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 115 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 108 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 113 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 95 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 113 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 110 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 135 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 110 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 117 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 110 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 125 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 126 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 131 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 157 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 204 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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