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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1142 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 197 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 186 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 169 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 176 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 163 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 170 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 174 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 172 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 143 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 178 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 156 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 166 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 172 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 168 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 172 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 184 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 182 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 160 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 160 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 174 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 168 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 198 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 192 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 161 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 160 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 171 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 159 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 172 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 248 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 160 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 166 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 153 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 161 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 173 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 178 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 175 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 184 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 167 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 173 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 155 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 161 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 169 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 213 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 202 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 194 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 180 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 169 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 149 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 161 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 156 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 169 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 173 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 156 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 153 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 206 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 177 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 228 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 193 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 236 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 159 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 169 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 152 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 162 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 178 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 142 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 190 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 149 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 208 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 147 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 147 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 167 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 150 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 211 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 171 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 164 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 188 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 157 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 163 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 165 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 149 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 159 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 184 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 154 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 191 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 153 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 156 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 163 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 158 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 153 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 167 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 160 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 182 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 187 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 184 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 235 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 156 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 182 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 163 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 197 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 163 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 168 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 193 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 159 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 155 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 184 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 165 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 176 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 147 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 139 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 163 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 207 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 224 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 160 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 153 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 164 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 171 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 150 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 171 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 153 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 166 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 174 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 164 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 161 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 163 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 157 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 147 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 173 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 174 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 215 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 167 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 163 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 173 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 179 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 167 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 185 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 211 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 279 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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