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This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 1234 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 245 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 235 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 239 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 227 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 222 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 221 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 207 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 229 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 206 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 195 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 228 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 206 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 219 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 224 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 282 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 220 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 231 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 261 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 231 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 210 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 208 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 226 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 220 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 249 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 263 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 206 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 210 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 212 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 205 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 219 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 203 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 223 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 312 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 206 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 219 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 202 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 204 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 224 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 205 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 227 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 221 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 207 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 232 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 211 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 210 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 273 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 252 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 241 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 226 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 221 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 203 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 212 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 205 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 214 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 229 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 204 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 197 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 257 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 224 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 281 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 245 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 290 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 212 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 219 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 194 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 212 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 229 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 200 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 234 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 201 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 261 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 198 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 192 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 210 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 214 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 199 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 258 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 211 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 243 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 204 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 217 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 216 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 194 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 210 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 229 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 202 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 247 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 203 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 218 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 211 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 217 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 202 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 214 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 212 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 242 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 231 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 230 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 282 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 203 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 235 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 214 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 250 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 214 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 219 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 245 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 204 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 205 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 240 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 214 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 224 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 198 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 194 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 210 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 253 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 285 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 210 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 203 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 225 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 227 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 202 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 217 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 204 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 212 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 225 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 215 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 211 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 203 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 201 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 224 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 204 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 216 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 282 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 217 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 212 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 230 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 228 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 217 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 239 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 256 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 331 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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