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Poster Boy
This is an unfair onus, Susan, unless you or a single one of your secular colleagues can provide a hard and fast definition of things that we all agree exist, like happiness or sadness. Care to define exactly what either of those terms mean? I don't think that you or anyone here can do that. So, why ask others such impossible questions?

I apologize. I know this question was NOT directed at me, but is in the open forum (not a private message), so please excuse me for responding.

Have you ever read the Book of Job? Job had three friends, I don't recall their names offhand, though often the meaning of a persons name (in Scripture) plays a significant role in the underlying intent of the story itself. I digress...

Job was a devout man, strong in his faith in God and his convictions about how God dealt with man (in all aspects of life). Anyway, this time was a time when Satan still had access to the throne of God (well, at least to G_D's presence. So Satan paid the LORD a visit, and the LORD began bragging over Job. Of course Satan (being the accuser), brought up accusations against Job based on how well God had treated Job. Satan said if G_D hadn't been so kind, Job would never have been so devout. And G_D permitted Satan to do all sorts of things to Job, anything but harm Job physically. Job passed this test. Satan argues still against him, and God at last permits Satan to afflict Job physically. Job got to a point where he was in genuinely bad shape, emotionally and physically.

All this while Job's three friends visited him, presenting their advice to him, advice based upon presumptions, and not a one of them were on the mark. Job was faithful throughout. But job listened to each friend intently, never dismissing them before hearing them out. Sometimes a person just needs to hear what others have to say in order to better understand things, situations, events, life's path in general, sometimes a friend needs to learn they're not accurately depicting the truth, despite well-intent.

So Job listens to each of his friends explanation for his sudden several and severe misfortunes. And Job begins to wish he had never been born, yada-yada-yada, but not once does Job blame or defame G_D in any manner, he basically ponders the reason for his continued existence.

This angers the LORD and the LORD answers Job by asking many impossible questions and pointing out specifics of the creation as an whole, matter Job couldn't possibly have known an answer to. In the end, Job stops complaining and understands that sometimes, Crap just happens even to good people. And the latter end was Job, who had remained steadfast in his faith in G_D was rewarded by having many time more than before G_D had ever permitted Satan to interfere.

What's the point I'm attempting to stress here? Sometimes we all need an ear to listen, other times we need to lend an ear to help other's understanding (even to impossible questions or ridiculous accusations). It's how we grow, individually, and as co-conspirators on our journey through life. Without asking hard questions, how are we to discover difficult answers.

As a member of the forum, in good standing so far as I am aware, all questions are valid and viable for discussion.
As important (perhaps more so) no one ought to be attacked personally for asking a question, even a silly impertinent one so long as its on topic (Susan opened this thread, if I am not mistaken, but it would not be the first time I've been wrong, and won't likely be the last (if I remain true to form).

My personal opine only.
:)

What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

— Ecclesiastes 1:3-4

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Sin - do you?! 932 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 124 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 111 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 112 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 109 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 115 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 105 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 99 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 103 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 104 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 101 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 101 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 97 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 90 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 100 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 97 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 105 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 100 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 103 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 105 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 110 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 120 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 109 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 97 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 102 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 102 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 98 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 136 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 120 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 142 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 96 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 101 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 98 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 97 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 100 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 95 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 100 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 143 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 95 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 92 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 92 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 101 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 100 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 101 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 100 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 98 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 96 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 112 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 103 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 103 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 91 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 98 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 99 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 113 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 117 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 134 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 109 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 94 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 90 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 91 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 91 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 96 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 96 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 93 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 88 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 121 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 103 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 163 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 133 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 101 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 97 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 87 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 95 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 113 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 89 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 110 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 91 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 113 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 90 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 88 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 92 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 96 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 92 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 120 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 97 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 103 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 116 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 95 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 99 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 93 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 91 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 91 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 114 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 90 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 119 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 94 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 90 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 95 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 94 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 90 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 98 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 91 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 126 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 128 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 120 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 154 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 101 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 111 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 103 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 117 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 90 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 93 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 113 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 93 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 91 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 111 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 93 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 101 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 91 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 82 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 90 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 122 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 107 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 91 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 95 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 91 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 96 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 88 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 102 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 98 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 96 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 103 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 101 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 100 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 94 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 97 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 82 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 98 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 97 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 94 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 113 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 97 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 102 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 95 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 111 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 112 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 117 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 143 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 178 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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