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"secularism implies an absence of privilege for religious authorities in national and local government, and the freedom to believe in whatever god you wish. I am not ‘forced‘ to deny the possibility you mention,"

Susan, regarding Ray, I am not saying that you are trying to obfuscate anything. However, you are forced to do this, if you insist on upholding the secularist party line which says there can be no 'sin' based on any authority. And this is exactly what you do constantly, when you make generalizations.

The 'astonishingly small' bit, although laudable for you to acknowledge, (leaving aside the fact that such matters cannot be quantified), is not permitted in secularism which insists on denying all extraneous influences such as God. This comes up every time a specific issue is raised. Secularism simply denies, denies and denies.

Sure, your question was a fair one in general. But since it is based on abstract thinking, it is very much like how we experience the very real experiences of happiness etc. As such, while fair it is quite beside the point. You can't even clarify what sin is or is not. All you can do is try to put it into a conceptual box where it 'must' be a mistake, according to your secularist thinking.



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Sin - do you?! 1022 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 140 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 137 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 135 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 140 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 129 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 125 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 127 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 124 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 113 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 123 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 133 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 127 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 134 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 168 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 137 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 168 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 134 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 118 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 128 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 127 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 124 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 165 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 176 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 122 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 127 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 126 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 123 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 127 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 127 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 127 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 187 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 122 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 119 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 118 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 128 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 124 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 130 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 126 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 114 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 123 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 123 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 139 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 159 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 132 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 117 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 114 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 114 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 115 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 122 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 125 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 121 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 118 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 154 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 128 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 196 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 156 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 187 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 126 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 121 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 109 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 123 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 140 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 110 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 144 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 115 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 148 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 115 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 113 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 120 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 117 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 156 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 123 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 127 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 150 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 121 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 128 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 119 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 116 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 115 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 146 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 113 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 157 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 118 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 113 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 118 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 121 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 119 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 125 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 115 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 150 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 153 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 147 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 188 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 125 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 138 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 129 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 149 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 120 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 146 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 121 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 119 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 147 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 119 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 136 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 116 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 100 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 115 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 155 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 154 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 114 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 119 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 130 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 122 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 113 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 125 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 123 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 121 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 129 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 126 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 125 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 118 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 124 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 103 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 124 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 125 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 121 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 159 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 120 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 126 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 123 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 135 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 137 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 141 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 167 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 231 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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