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"secularism implies an absence of privilege for religious authorities in national and local government, and the freedom to believe in whatever god you wish. I am not ‘forced‘ to deny the possibility you mention,"

Susan, regarding Ray, I am not saying that you are trying to obfuscate anything. However, you are forced to do this, if you insist on upholding the secularist party line which says there can be no 'sin' based on any authority. And this is exactly what you do constantly, when you make generalizations.

The 'astonishingly small' bit, although laudable for you to acknowledge, (leaving aside the fact that such matters cannot be quantified), is not permitted in secularism which insists on denying all extraneous influences such as God. This comes up every time a specific issue is raised. Secularism simply denies, denies and denies.

Sure, your question was a fair one in general. But since it is based on abstract thinking, it is very much like how we experience the very real experiences of happiness etc. As such, while fair it is quite beside the point. You can't even clarify what sin is or is not. All you can do is try to put it into a conceptual box where it 'must' be a mistake, according to your secularist thinking.



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Sin - do you?! 1108 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 186 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 175 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 171 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 174 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 158 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 152 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 151 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 131 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 156 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 157 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 159 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 171 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 202 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 170 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 150 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 149 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 162 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 157 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 179 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 196 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 142 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 148 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 147 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 159 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 149 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 161 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 233 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 147 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 154 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 140 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 161 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 149 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 147 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 174 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 144 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 146 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 189 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 182 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 167 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 156 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 138 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 150 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 141 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 158 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 159 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 143 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 140 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 194 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 163 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 216 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 180 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 223 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 146 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 157 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 141 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 149 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 162 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 130 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 179 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 137 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 193 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 135 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 135 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 146 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 156 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 138 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 195 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 160 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 177 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 145 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 152 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 153 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 138 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 147 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 172 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 144 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 180 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 141 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 145 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 152 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 144 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 141 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 150 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 147 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 170 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 176 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 173 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 222 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 145 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 169 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 152 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 184 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 150 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 157 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 179 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 146 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 143 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 173 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 152 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 159 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 136 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 127 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 152 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 193 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 208 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 148 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 142 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 150 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 160 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 138 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 160 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 142 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 154 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 161 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 151 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 148 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 151 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 146 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 136 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 161 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 147 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 161 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 203 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 155 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 149 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 160 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 167 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 156 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 173 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 199 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 265 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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