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No, I am not 'avoiding' anything. And 'intellectualizing' is what these boards about, as I recall. :) I am agreeing that her question, and distinction, is a good one. And relevant to the underlying point she is wondering about. While the early Christians probably would have also differentiated between "accidental" (what you call mistakes) and "intentional" ('sin' in the sense you are giving it) failures to at least some degree, I don't think they would have agreed with the guilt-mongering style that has crept into 'Christianity' over the centuries. Unfortunately, institutional Darwinism works even if social Darwinism does not. Institutions that survive over the long-term are the ones devoted to preserving and furthering themselves, and these will just organically work out ways to bind people even if individuals serving the institution don't consciously realize what they are doing. The issue underlying Susan's question, given at the end of her post, is precisely the 'kryptonite' that institutional religion hates and fears -- universal reconciliation -- without the idea of 'sin' as guilt and debt, and the fear of 'hell' that comes with it, the accumulation of wealth and power through religion doesn't work anymore. People are not so willing to make overt religious gestures, such as donations to the institution, without the fear. (There is considerable support to be found for universal reconciliation in the NT, btw, which is one of the reasons I think the early Christians would not like the elements of hellfire & brimstone that grew up in the later tradition.)

By your lights, how would I 'answer' her question honestly? Wouldn't it be 'personalizing' to say that I don't use the word myself anymore? I did grow up in WASP America, so the word was known to me as a youngster. :) Where is the valid ground between 'personalizing' and 'intellectualizing' for you?

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Sin - do you?! 1122 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 191 Poster Boy 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 179 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 178 Poster Boy 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 180 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 163 Poster Boy 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 168 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 157 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 164 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 168 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 158 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 156 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 166 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Poster Boy 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 137 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 169 Poster Boy 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 150 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 167 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 162 Poster Boy 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 165 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 177 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 207 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 175 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 155 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 154 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 167 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 162 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 192 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 185 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 203 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 148 Poster Boy 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 155 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 155 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 154 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 165 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 154 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 166 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 240 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 154 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 160 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 147 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 156 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 167 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Poster Boy 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 171 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 167 Poster Boy 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 178 Poster Boy 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 160 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 165 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 148 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 154 Poster Boy 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 161 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 201 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 195 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 189 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 173 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 162 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 143 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 155 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 150 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 163 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 167 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 150 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 146 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 200 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 170 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 223 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 186 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 229 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 152 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 163 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 147 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 157 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 169 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 136 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 183 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 142 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 201 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 140 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 142 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 152 Poster Boy 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 161 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 144 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 203 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 165 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 158 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 183 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 151 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 158 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 159 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 142 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 152 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 178 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 149 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 185 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 147 Poster Boy 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 150 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 157 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 150 Poster Boy 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 147 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 158 Poster Boy 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 154 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 175 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 181 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 179 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 229 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 174 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 157 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 190 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 155 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 163 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 186 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 153 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 151 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 178 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 157 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 168 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 142 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 132 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 157 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 200 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 217 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 154 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 147 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 155 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 165 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 145 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 165 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 148 Poster Boy 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 160 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 167 Poster Boy 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 158 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 155 Poster Boy 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 157 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 153 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 140 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 166 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 153 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 168 Poster Boy 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 210 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 161 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 156 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 166 Poster Boy 31-May-18 17:35
Job 172 Poster Boy 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 162 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 179 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 205 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 271 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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