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No, I am not 'avoiding' anything. And 'intellectualizing' is what these boards about, as I recall. :) I am agreeing that her question, and distinction, is a good one. And relevant to the underlying point she is wondering about. While the early Christians probably would have also differentiated between "accidental" (what you call mistakes) and "intentional" ('sin' in the sense you are giving it) failures to at least some degree, I don't think they would have agreed with the guilt-mongering style that has crept into 'Christianity' over the centuries. Unfortunately, institutional Darwinism works even if social Darwinism does not. Institutions that survive over the long-term are the ones devoted to preserving and furthering themselves, and these will just organically work out ways to bind people even if individuals serving the institution don't consciously realize what they are doing. The issue underlying Susan's question, given at the end of her post, is precisely the 'kryptonite' that institutional religion hates and fears -- universal reconciliation -- without the idea of 'sin' as guilt and debt, and the fear of 'hell' that comes with it, the accumulation of wealth and power through religion doesn't work anymore. People are not so willing to make overt religious gestures, such as donations to the institution, without the fear. (There is considerable support to be found for universal reconciliation in the NT, btw, which is one of the reasons I think the early Christians would not like the elements of hellfire & brimstone that grew up in the later tradition.)

By your lights, how would I 'answer' her question honestly? Wouldn't it be 'personalizing' to say that I don't use the word myself anymore? I did grow up in WASP America, so the word was known to me as a youngster. :) Where is the valid ground between 'personalizing' and 'intellectualizing' for you?

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Sin - do you?! 1212 Susan Doris 26-May-18 12:37
Re: Sin - do you?! 234 PB Bytes 26-May-18 13:38
Re: Sin - do you?! 222 Susan Doris 26-May-18 13:53
Re: Sin - do you?! 225 PB Bytes 26-May-18 18:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 226 Susan Doris 26-May-18 18:36
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 PB Bytes 26-May-18 22:49
Re: Sin - do you?! 216 Eddie Larry 26-May-18 18:34
Re: Sin - do you?! 198 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 13:20
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 Susan Doris 27-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 197 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 214 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 205 Susan Doris 27-May-18 17:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 194 PB Bytes 27-May-18 17:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 182 Eddie Larry 27-May-18 19:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 217 PB Bytes 27-May-18 20:57
Re: Sin - do you?! 194 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 206 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 205 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:13
Re: Sin - do you?! 212 PB Bytes 28-May-18 16:06
Re: Sin - do you?! 268 MLloydHudson 26-May-18 18:43
Re: Sin - do you?! 210 drrayeye 26-May-18 18:59
Re: Sin - do you?! 218 Susan Doris 27-May-18 05:29
Re: Sin - do you?! 251 MLloydHudson 28-May-18 06:28
mistake vs. sin: a example 220 drrayeye 26-May-18 20:03
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 195 greengirl5 26-May-18 23:14
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 196 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:20
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 214 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:07
Re: mistake vs. sin: a example 208 drrayeye 28-May-18 03:09
Re: Sin - do you?! 237 drew 27-May-18 05:22
Re: Sin - do you?! 224 Susan Doris 27-May-18 06:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 251 drew 28-May-18 02:28
Re: Sin - do you?! 194 PB Bytes 28-May-18 02:18
Re: Sin - do you?! 199 Susan Doris 28-May-18 05:18
Sin or mistake 201 greengirl5 28-May-18 13:33
Re: Sin or mistake 195 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 13:49
Re: Sin or mistake 209 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:11
Re: Sin or mistake 192 Eddie Larry 28-May-18 14:30
Re: Sin or mistake 212 Susan Doris 28-May-18 13:50
Sinners and money-lenders 300 greengirl5 28-May-18 23:25
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 195 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:27
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 208 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:08
Re: Sinners and money-lenders 191 Susan Doris 29-May-18 14:46
Re: Sin - do you?! 194 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:03
Re: Sin - do you?! 214 Susan Doris 28-May-18 14:16
Re: Sin - do you?! 195 PB Bytes 28-May-18 14:25
Re: Sin - do you?! 215 Susan Doris 28-May-18 15:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 209 PB Bytes 28-May-18 15:52
Re: Sin - do you?! 196 Susan Doris 28-May-18 17:11
Re: Sin - do you?! 222 PB Bytes 28-May-18 17:39
Re: Sin - do you?! 200 Susan Doris 29-May-18 05:45
Re: Sin - do you?! 207 greengirl5 29-May-18 07:27
Re: Sin - do you?! 197 Susan Doris 29-May-18 15:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 197 PB Bytes 29-May-18 22:10
Re: Sin - do you?! 211 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:12
Re: Sin - do you?! 258 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 04:24
Re: Sin - do you?! 241 drew 28-May-18 23:11
A complement--and a reminder 230 drrayeye 29-May-18 19:54
Re: A complement--and a reminder 216 Susan Doris 30-May-18 07:34
Re: A complement--and a reminder 209 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:57
Re: A complement--and a reminder 190 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:32
Re: A complement--and a reminder 201 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:31
Re: A complement--and a reminder 193 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:04
Re: A complement--and a reminder 204 drrayeye 30-May-18 20:24
Re: A complement--and a reminder 218 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:14
A caveat 194 drrayeye 31-May-18 11:45
Re: A caveat 186 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:48
Re: eloquence with words... 244 drew 02-Jun-18 01:12
Re: eloquence with words... 214 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:19
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 269 Nolondil 29-May-18 20:41
Deliberate obfuscation 234 drrayeye 29-May-18 23:20
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 277 Nolondil 29-May-18 23:50
I answer the question 200 drrayeye 30-May-18 08:32
Re: I answer the question 208 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:40
See earlier reply 184 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:35
Re: I answer the question 201 greengirl5 30-May-18 13:05
Re: I answer the question 217 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 13:54
discernment 185 drrayeye 30-May-18 16:24
Re: discernment 224 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 22:32
Re: discernment 188 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:40
Re: discernment 249 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 00:02
Thunderstruck! 186 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:28
Re: discernment 181 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 199 PB Bytes 30-May-18 23:14
Of course "sin" exists 203 greengirl5 30-May-18 23:54
Re: Of course "sin" exists 187 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 246 Nolondil 31-May-18 00:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 215 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:43
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 201 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:13
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 230 Nolondil 31-May-18 18:25
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 192 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:00
Original sin--sort of 204 drrayeye 31-May-18 23:26
Re: Original sin--sort of 205 greengirl5 31-May-18 23:44
Re: Original sin--sort of 183 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 03:59
Re: Original sin--sort of 200 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:24
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 217 Nolondil 01-Jun-18 00:37
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 191 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 01:35
Very interesting! 234 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 01:42
Re: Very interesting! 191 PB Bytes 01-Jun-18 04:12
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 205 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:18
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 200 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:28
If not 'mistakes' then what? 204 PB Bytes 31-May-18 15:18
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 191 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:35
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 203 PB Bytes 31-May-18 18:05
Re: If not 'mistakes' then what? 200 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 05:31
Isn't it quite simple? 229 greengirl5 29-May-18 23:55
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 220 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:11
Thinking in earnest now 220 greengirl5 30-May-18 00:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 272 Nolondil 30-May-18 00:55
Re: Thinking in earnest now 192 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:37
Re: Thinking in earnest now 220 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 09:50
Re: Thinking in earnest now 201 Susan Doris 30-May-18 11:08
Re: Thinking in earnest now 238 Eddie Larry 30-May-18 17:46
Re: Thinking in earnest now 202 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:38
Re: Thinking in earnest now 208 greengirl5 31-May-18 12:57
Re: Thinking in earnest now 232 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 14:01
Re: Thinking in earnest now 193 greengirl5 31-May-18 14:19
Re: Thinking in earnest now 194 Susan Doris 31-May-18 14:54
Re: Thinking in earnest now 226 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 17:35
Re: Thinking in earnest now 204 Susan Doris 31-May-18 17:40
Re: Thinking in earnest now 212 Eddie Larry 31-May-18 18:25
Smart/intelligent slime 186 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:05
Re: Smart/intelligent slime 181 Susan Doris 01-Jun-18 13:29
Intelligent slime - not that simple! 200 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 23:03
Re: Intelligent slime - not that simple! 242 Susan Doris 02-Jun-18 05:36
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 272 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 02:20
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 197 greengirl5 31-May-18 02:56
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 191 Susan Doris 31-May-18 05:48
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 210 MLloydHudson 30-May-18 22:11
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 215 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:12
Re: Isn't it quite simple? 190 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:35
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 206 Susan Doris 30-May-18 12:09
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 191 PB Bytes 30-May-18 16:52
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 201 Susan Doris 30-May-18 17:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 PB Bytes 30-May-18 18:30
Another brainstorm of mine 202 greengirl5 31-May-18 00:56
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 199 PB Bytes 31-May-18 01:18
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 201 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:53
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 193 greengirl5 31-May-18 13:13
Re: Another brainstorm of mine 190 Susan Doris 31-May-18 15:02
the bible and God 212 greengirl5 01-Jun-18 08:16
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 193 Susan Doris 31-May-18 06:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 205 PB Bytes 31-May-18 19:14
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 267 MLloydHudson 31-May-18 03:41
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 206 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:22
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 199 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:11
Re: Deliberate obfuscation 213 PB Bytes 31-May-18 17:35
Job 217 PB Bytes 31-May-18 04:37
Re: Job 205 Susan Doris 31-May-18 07:14
Re: Sin - denotation and connotation 226 Susan Doris 30-May-18 08:00
Re: Sin - do you?! 246 Susan Doris 30-May-18 05:02
Sin do you... 320 drew 25-Jun-18 23:44


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