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drrayeye Wrote:
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> Daniel,
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> The mystery is not sensing--it's veridical
> communication to other bees.
>
> Ray


I'm confused about your use of the word veridical

[www.britannica.com]

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Space perception research also offers insight into ways that perceptual behaviour helps orient the individual to the environment.
Specifically, orientation in space typically seems to reflect one’s strivings (e.g., to seek food or to avoid injury). People could not orient themselves to their environments, however, unless the environmental information reaching them through the various sense organs offered a perception of space that corresponds to their physical “reality.”
Such perception is called veridical perception—the direct perception of stimuli as they exist.
Without some degree of veridicality concerning physical space, one cannot seek food, flee from enemies, or even socialize.
Veridical perception also causes a person to experience changing stimuli as if they were stable: even though the sensory image of an approaching tiger grows larger, for example, one tends to perceive that the animal’s size remains unchanged. In other words, one perceives objects in the environment as having relatively constant characteristics (as to size, colour, and so on) despite considerable variations in stimulus conditions.

This would seem to imply that you are saying "the bees get information from the environment - physical reality"
which is what Daniel said, only he was more specific. He says the bees can get get information directly from the plants as well as other bees.

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The bees rely on electricity, they can sense electric fields with their hairs, it is auto response, when they land on a flower there is a discharge (potential equalization, the flower petals are negatively charged), the flower will then be seen as visited for a while to all other bees.

Support for the bees ability to sense electric fields, including from other bees, is the waggle dance

[www.theguardian.com]

Scientists decode honeybee 'waggle dance'
Unique form of communication allowed researchers to map the distance and location where bees foraged from month to month

note these paragraphs

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By measuring the angle of the dance in relation to the sun and the length of time the bee waggled its abdomen while moving in a figure of eight pattern, researchers have been able to map the distance and location where bees forage from month to month.

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The glass-fronted observation hives are located at the university campus surrounded by the South Downs countryside and a few kilometres from the city parks and gardens of nearby Brighton and Hove.

Bee hives mostly don't have windows, electric lights or candles
the inside of the hive is dark and the bees can't see the sun
so how can returning bees maintain sun orientation, or how other bees can "see"
and count the wiggles? maybe by sensing electric fields?

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