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laughin Wrote:

> But some kind radiation has, in the past, been
> what they tried to make gravity to be
> all part of the "unification of the forces)
> process

This is incorrect. they are talking about teh unification of different forces/interactions. You use the word radiation as if it has only one meaning pertaining to EM. Alpha and beta radiation for example are particles, you get proton, and heavy ion radiation treatment for some cancers. The Weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and these are not EM radiation, but yet The EM force is unified with the Weak force at high energies. Your view is far too simplistic and misunderstood.


> whatever it is, HAS to travel faster than light,
> because the effect of gravity does
> [grahamhancock.com]
> ,1040448#msg-1040448

Actually no. Gravity in a Newtonian gravity framework is instantaneous. In general relativity it has a finite speed, that of the speed of light. Gravitational waves cannot exist is Newtonian gravity. that is why this result is such a milestone, as it once again proves that the framework for general relativity is correct, and that Newtonian gravity is not correct, although the latter is a good approximation for slow speeds and small mass.

> So they are saying that space is rippling, not
> that some particle is traveling THRU space FTL
> also, remember, space isn't made of particles (so
> get any ideas of aether out of your head right
> now)
> If a ripple of "space" (chuckle) can travel faster
> than light can travel through it
> then GR isn't violated,
> the effect can be as fast as needed
> and if no particles are exchanged
> no bosons or gravitons needed
> (bosons!, we don't need no stinking bosons)
> which explains why they haven't been found!!!!
>

Like all waves, gravitational waves are energy propagation through space. In the case of gravitational waves, this is manifested through the waving of space-time, just like an electromagnetic wave is a waving teh the electromagnetic field. Just like the electromagnetic field, no medium is required to carry the wave (unlike sound waves for example). As to why gravitons havent been found. Since gravitons are the quantised vibration of the gravitational field (much as photons are the quantised vibration of the EM field), and since an ensemble of gravitons would make up a gravitational wave (much like an ensemble of photons make up an EM wave), and since we have only just developed apparatus sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves, I think you are asking too much as to why we have not yet found gravitons!


> Hey, I'm just trying to interpret their "findings"
> before the Nobel
> (it looks better to have the story straight
> beforehand)

> now the big question...?
> what's shakin'? (an old hippy expression :) )
> what (and how) is grabbing ahold of space and
> shaking it?
> especially since there is nothing to grab ahold
> of.....

It is an interesting question, and general relativity is not the end of the subject on how nature works, since at the quatum level it breaks down. When, or if, we ever develope a completely consistant theory of quantum gravity your big question may be answered...or not.

BTW, its best to refer to them as gravitational waves. Gravity waves are something entirely different [en.wikipedia.org]

Jonny

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gravity waves "detected" 1436 laughin 11-Feb-16 16:34
Re: gravity waves "detected" 477 Susan Doris 11-Feb-16 17:44
Re: gravity waves "detected" 373 Sirius7237 11-Feb-16 18:30
Re: gravity waves "detected" 453 laughin 11-Feb-16 21:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 374 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:23
Re: gravity waves "detected" 415 laughin 12-Feb-16 15:51
Re: gravity waves "detected" 265 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 16:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 372 laughin 13-Feb-16 18:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 424 JonnyMcA 13-Feb-16 18:41
Re: gravity waves "detected" 460 Me 15-Feb-16 15:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 347 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 383 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 286 D-Archer 14-Feb-16 11:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 312 carolb 14-Feb-16 14:54
Re: gravity waves "detected" 295 Sirius7237 14-Feb-16 20:08
Re: gravity waves "detected" 405 carolb 14-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 409 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 329 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:59
Re: gravity waves "detected" 312 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 352 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:29
Re: gravity waves "detected" 280 laughin 14-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 207 skakos 15-Feb-16 14:07
Re: gravity waves "detected" 303 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 21:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 416 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:38
Onto Dark Energy waves! 354 Eddie Larry 11-Feb-16 21:34
It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 220 David L 12-Feb-16 12:50
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 300 Spiros 12-Feb-16 17:09
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 366 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 12:47
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 377 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:15
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 328 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 18:53
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 351 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:39
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 290 Aine 16-Feb-16 01:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 408 dong 12-Feb-16 18:36
Re: gravity waves "detected" 387 laughin 13-Feb-16 03:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 326 dong 16-Feb-16 07:41
Liego 332 laughin 15-Feb-16 04:17
Gravity Waves of Propaganda the Sequel 310 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 411 skakos 15-Feb-16 12:58
Re: gravity waves "detected" 365 Aine 15-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 225 carolb 16-Feb-16 00:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 312 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 11:47
Re: gravity waves "detected" 416 carolb 16-Feb-16 12:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 274 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 14:13
Re: gravity waves "detected" 282 carolb 16-Feb-16 14:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 262 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 15:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 350 carolb 16-Feb-16 16:27
Re: gravity waves "detected" 388 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 14:08
Really? 265 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:11
Re: Really? 384 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:32
Re: Really? 367 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 15:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 393 carolb 17-Feb-16 18:05
mods! 331 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 11:13
Re: mods! 417 carolb 18-Feb-16 14:14
Re: mods! 393 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 16:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 508 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 01:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 327 Aine 17-Feb-16 14:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 364 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 254 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: gravity waves "detected" 311 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 17:37
Re: gravity waves "detected" 406 Aine 17-Feb-16 18:49
Re: gravity waves "detected" 357 laughin 16-Feb-16 20:24
Re: gravity waves "detected" 204 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 16:23
Gravy Waves 501 D-Archer 20-Feb-16 11:39
Playing devil’s advocate on the discovery of gravitational waves 450 laughin 02-Mar-16 18:23
Scientists: we're 100% convinced 293 laughin 07-Mar-16 17:13
Black holes and big bangs can't co-exist 387 laughin 13-Mar-16 04:52
Re: gravity waves "detected" 318 brett z 20-Apr-16 23:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 332 laughin 21-Apr-16 14:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 247 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:45
Re: gravity waves "detected" 187 laughin 10-May-16 13:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 262 OCaptain 10-May-16 13:21
Re: gravity waves "detected" 306 laughin 10-May-16 19:25
Re: gravity waves "detected" 441 OCaptain 10-May-16 22:56
Re: gravity waves "detected" 317 laughin 11-May-16 15:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 400 JonnyMcA 11-May-16 16:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 423 laughin 12-May-16 16:26
pompousness "detected" 357 laughin 18-May-16 15:25
bump- 2 weeks 460 laughin 27-May-16 15:02
Re: bump- 3 weeks 396 laughin 02-Jun-16 23:20
Re: bump- 4 weeks and why isn't Carolb patrolling the threads 411 laughin 10-Jun-16 15:42
Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 369 laughin 04-May-16 13:15
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 403 D-Archer 09-May-16 19:05
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 194 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:46
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 423 laughin 10-May-16 13:27
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 254 OCaptain 10-May-16 16:39
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 324 laughin 10-May-16 19:10
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LIGO press conf, June 15 332 brett z 15-Jun-16 11:53
Re: LIGO press conf, June 15 336 D-Archer 15-Jun-16 14:48


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