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laughin Wrote:

> But some kind radiation has, in the past, been
> what they tried to make gravity to be
> all part of the "unification of the forces)
> process

This is incorrect. they are talking about teh unification of different forces/interactions. You use the word radiation as if it has only one meaning pertaining to EM. Alpha and beta radiation for example are particles, you get proton, and heavy ion radiation treatment for some cancers. The Weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and these are not EM radiation, but yet The EM force is unified with the Weak force at high energies. Your view is far too simplistic and misunderstood.


> whatever it is, HAS to travel faster than light,
> because the effect of gravity does
> [grahamhancock.com]
> ,1040448#msg-1040448

Actually no. Gravity in a Newtonian gravity framework is instantaneous. In general relativity it has a finite speed, that of the speed of light. Gravitational waves cannot exist is Newtonian gravity. that is why this result is such a milestone, as it once again proves that the framework for general relativity is correct, and that Newtonian gravity is not correct, although the latter is a good approximation for slow speeds and small mass.

> So they are saying that space is rippling, not
> that some particle is traveling THRU space FTL
> also, remember, space isn't made of particles (so
> get any ideas of aether out of your head right
> now)
> If a ripple of "space" (chuckle) can travel faster
> than light can travel through it
> then GR isn't violated,
> the effect can be as fast as needed
> and if no particles are exchanged
> no bosons or gravitons needed
> (bosons!, we don't need no stinking bosons)
> which explains why they haven't been found!!!!
>

Like all waves, gravitational waves are energy propagation through space. In the case of gravitational waves, this is manifested through the waving of space-time, just like an electromagnetic wave is a waving teh the electromagnetic field. Just like the electromagnetic field, no medium is required to carry the wave (unlike sound waves for example). As to why gravitons havent been found. Since gravitons are the quantised vibration of the gravitational field (much as photons are the quantised vibration of the EM field), and since an ensemble of gravitons would make up a gravitational wave (much like an ensemble of photons make up an EM wave), and since we have only just developed apparatus sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves, I think you are asking too much as to why we have not yet found gravitons!


> Hey, I'm just trying to interpret their "findings"
> before the Nobel
> (it looks better to have the story straight
> beforehand)

> now the big question...?
> what's shakin'? (an old hippy expression :) )
> what (and how) is grabbing ahold of space and
> shaking it?
> especially since there is nothing to grab ahold
> of.....

It is an interesting question, and general relativity is not the end of the subject on how nature works, since at the quatum level it breaks down. When, or if, we ever develope a completely consistant theory of quantum gravity your big question may be answered...or not.

BTW, its best to refer to them as gravitational waves. Gravity waves are something entirely different [en.wikipedia.org]

Jonny

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gravity waves "detected" 1475 laughin 11-Feb-16 16:34
Re: gravity waves "detected" 506 Susan Doris 11-Feb-16 17:44
Re: gravity waves "detected" 397 Sirius7237 11-Feb-16 18:30
Re: gravity waves "detected" 495 laughin 11-Feb-16 21:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 413 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:23
Re: gravity waves "detected" 455 laughin 12-Feb-16 15:51
Re: gravity waves "detected" 296 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 16:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 405 laughin 13-Feb-16 18:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 450 JonnyMcA 13-Feb-16 18:41
Re: gravity waves "detected" 513 Me 15-Feb-16 15:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 370 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 412 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 306 D-Archer 14-Feb-16 11:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 333 carolb 14-Feb-16 14:54
Re: gravity waves "detected" 318 Sirius7237 14-Feb-16 20:08
Re: gravity waves "detected" 427 carolb 14-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 438 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 363 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:59
Re: gravity waves "detected" 334 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 380 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:29
Re: gravity waves "detected" 300 laughin 14-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 228 skakos 15-Feb-16 14:07
Re: gravity waves "detected" 328 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 21:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 441 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:38
Onto Dark Energy waves! 390 Eddie Larry 11-Feb-16 21:34
It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 240 David L 12-Feb-16 12:50
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 334 Spiros 12-Feb-16 17:09
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 399 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 12:47
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 403 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:15
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 359 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 18:53
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 377 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:39
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 319 Aine 16-Feb-16 01:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 449 dong 12-Feb-16 18:36
Re: gravity waves "detected" 422 laughin 13-Feb-16 03:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 351 dong 16-Feb-16 07:41
Liego 355 laughin 15-Feb-16 04:17
Gravity Waves of Propaganda the Sequel 333 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 431 skakos 15-Feb-16 12:58
Re: gravity waves "detected" 389 Aine 15-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 252 carolb 16-Feb-16 00:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 340 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 11:47
Re: gravity waves "detected" 461 carolb 16-Feb-16 12:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 294 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 14:13
Re: gravity waves "detected" 309 carolb 16-Feb-16 14:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 289 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 15:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 398 carolb 16-Feb-16 16:27
Re: gravity waves "detected" 417 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 14:08
Really? 309 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:11
Re: Really? 414 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:32
Re: Really? 398 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 15:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 416 carolb 17-Feb-16 18:05
mods! 364 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 11:13
Re: mods! 448 carolb 18-Feb-16 14:14
Re: mods! 429 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 16:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 529 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 01:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 351 Aine 17-Feb-16 14:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 386 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 277 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: gravity waves "detected" 339 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 17:37
Re: gravity waves "detected" 437 Aine 17-Feb-16 18:49
Re: gravity waves "detected" 386 laughin 16-Feb-16 20:24
Re: gravity waves "detected" 229 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 16:23
Gravy Waves 542 D-Archer 20-Feb-16 11:39
Playing devil’s advocate on the discovery of gravitational waves 491 laughin 02-Mar-16 18:23
Scientists: we're 100% convinced 315 laughin 07-Mar-16 17:13
Black holes and big bangs can't co-exist 424 laughin 13-Mar-16 04:52
Re: gravity waves "detected" 355 brett z 20-Apr-16 23:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 359 laughin 21-Apr-16 14:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 270 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:45
Re: gravity waves "detected" 222 laughin 10-May-16 13:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 287 OCaptain 10-May-16 13:21
Re: gravity waves "detected" 340 laughin 10-May-16 19:25
Re: gravity waves "detected" 465 OCaptain 10-May-16 22:56
Re: gravity waves "detected" 348 laughin 11-May-16 15:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 439 JonnyMcA 11-May-16 16:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 453 laughin 12-May-16 16:26
pompousness "detected" 389 laughin 18-May-16 15:25
bump- 2 weeks 484 laughin 27-May-16 15:02
Re: bump- 3 weeks 421 laughin 02-Jun-16 23:20
Re: bump- 4 weeks and why isn't Carolb patrolling the threads 432 laughin 10-Jun-16 15:42
Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 408 laughin 04-May-16 13:15
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 426 D-Archer 09-May-16 19:05
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 230 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:46
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 446 laughin 10-May-16 13:27
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 294 OCaptain 10-May-16 16:39
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 346 laughin 10-May-16 19:10
how many times can you change the rules and still get a black hole 330 laughin 08-Jun-16 14:00
LIGO press conf, June 15 359 brett z 15-Jun-16 11:53
Re: LIGO press conf, June 15 357 D-Archer 15-Jun-16 14:48


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