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laughin Wrote:

> But some kind radiation has, in the past, been
> what they tried to make gravity to be
> all part of the "unification of the forces)
> process

This is incorrect. they are talking about teh unification of different forces/interactions. You use the word radiation as if it has only one meaning pertaining to EM. Alpha and beta radiation for example are particles, you get proton, and heavy ion radiation treatment for some cancers. The Weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and these are not EM radiation, but yet The EM force is unified with the Weak force at high energies. Your view is far too simplistic and misunderstood.


> whatever it is, HAS to travel faster than light,
> because the effect of gravity does
> [grahamhancock.com]
> ,1040448#msg-1040448

Actually no. Gravity in a Newtonian gravity framework is instantaneous. In general relativity it has a finite speed, that of the speed of light. Gravitational waves cannot exist is Newtonian gravity. that is why this result is such a milestone, as it once again proves that the framework for general relativity is correct, and that Newtonian gravity is not correct, although the latter is a good approximation for slow speeds and small mass.

> So they are saying that space is rippling, not
> that some particle is traveling THRU space FTL
> also, remember, space isn't made of particles (so
> get any ideas of aether out of your head right
> now)
> If a ripple of "space" (chuckle) can travel faster
> than light can travel through it
> then GR isn't violated,
> the effect can be as fast as needed
> and if no particles are exchanged
> no bosons or gravitons needed
> (bosons!, we don't need no stinking bosons)
> which explains why they haven't been found!!!!
>

Like all waves, gravitational waves are energy propagation through space. In the case of gravitational waves, this is manifested through the waving of space-time, just like an electromagnetic wave is a waving teh the electromagnetic field. Just like the electromagnetic field, no medium is required to carry the wave (unlike sound waves for example). As to why gravitons havent been found. Since gravitons are the quantised vibration of the gravitational field (much as photons are the quantised vibration of the EM field), and since an ensemble of gravitons would make up a gravitational wave (much like an ensemble of photons make up an EM wave), and since we have only just developed apparatus sensitive enough to detect gravitational waves, I think you are asking too much as to why we have not yet found gravitons!


> Hey, I'm just trying to interpret their "findings"
> before the Nobel
> (it looks better to have the story straight
> beforehand)

> now the big question...?
> what's shakin'? (an old hippy expression :) )
> what (and how) is grabbing ahold of space and
> shaking it?
> especially since there is nothing to grab ahold
> of.....

It is an interesting question, and general relativity is not the end of the subject on how nature works, since at the quatum level it breaks down. When, or if, we ever develope a completely consistant theory of quantum gravity your big question may be answered...or not.

BTW, its best to refer to them as gravitational waves. Gravity waves are something entirely different [en.wikipedia.org]

Jonny

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gravity waves "detected" 1503 laughin 11-Feb-16 16:34
Re: gravity waves "detected" 526 Susan Doris 11-Feb-16 17:44
Re: gravity waves "detected" 419 Sirius7237 11-Feb-16 18:30
Re: gravity waves "detected" 522 laughin 11-Feb-16 21:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 438 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:23
Re: gravity waves "detected" 476 laughin 12-Feb-16 15:51
Re: gravity waves "detected" 323 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 16:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 425 laughin 13-Feb-16 18:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 476 JonnyMcA 13-Feb-16 18:41
Re: gravity waves "detected" 529 Me 15-Feb-16 15:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 394 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 431 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 326 D-Archer 14-Feb-16 11:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 343 carolb 14-Feb-16 14:54
Re: gravity waves "detected" 343 Sirius7237 14-Feb-16 20:08
Re: gravity waves "detected" 442 carolb 14-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 452 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:20
Re: gravity waves "detected" 379 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:59
Re: gravity waves "detected" 358 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 396 carolb 13-Feb-16 21:29
Re: gravity waves "detected" 310 laughin 14-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 248 skakos 15-Feb-16 14:07
Re: gravity waves "detected" 340 Pete Vanderzwet 11-Feb-16 21:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 462 JonnyMcA 12-Feb-16 14:38
Onto Dark Energy waves! 405 Eddie Larry 11-Feb-16 21:34
It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 263 David L 12-Feb-16 12:50
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 349 Spiros 12-Feb-16 17:09
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 413 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 12:47
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 423 Aine 15-Feb-16 16:15
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 376 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 18:53
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 393 laughin 15-Feb-16 20:39
Re: It took 100 years to discover what Einstein already knew 329 Aine 16-Feb-16 01:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 464 dong 12-Feb-16 18:36
Re: gravity waves "detected" 443 laughin 13-Feb-16 03:26
Re: gravity waves "detected" 375 dong 16-Feb-16 07:41
Liego 375 laughin 15-Feb-16 04:17
Gravity Waves of Propaganda the Sequel 362 D-Archer 15-Feb-16 09:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 442 skakos 15-Feb-16 12:58
Re: gravity waves "detected" 412 Aine 15-Feb-16 22:31
Re: gravity waves "detected" 282 carolb 16-Feb-16 00:57
Re: gravity waves "detected" 356 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 11:47
Re: gravity waves "detected" 492 carolb 16-Feb-16 12:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 316 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 14:13
Re: gravity waves "detected" 328 carolb 16-Feb-16 14:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 306 D-Archer 16-Feb-16 15:17
Re: gravity waves "detected" 429 carolb 16-Feb-16 16:27
Re: gravity waves "detected" 431 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 14:08
Really? 328 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:11
Re: Really? 437 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:32
Re: Really? 421 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 15:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 433 carolb 17-Feb-16 18:05
mods! 382 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 11:13
Re: mods! 467 carolb 18-Feb-16 14:14
Re: mods! 458 D-Archer 18-Feb-16 16:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 542 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 01:06
Re: gravity waves "detected" 365 Aine 17-Feb-16 14:48
Re: gravity waves "detected" 407 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 15:19
Re: gravity waves "detected" 293 Sirfiroth 17-Feb-16 15:39
Re: gravity waves "detected" 372 JonnyMcA 17-Feb-16 17:37
Re: gravity waves "detected" 458 Aine 17-Feb-16 18:49
Re: gravity waves "detected" 404 laughin 16-Feb-16 20:24
Re: gravity waves "detected" 251 D-Archer 17-Feb-16 16:23
Gravy Waves 559 D-Archer 20-Feb-16 11:39
Playing devil’s advocate on the discovery of gravitational waves 507 laughin 02-Mar-16 18:23
Scientists: we're 100% convinced 335 laughin 07-Mar-16 17:13
Black holes and big bangs can't co-exist 438 laughin 13-Mar-16 04:52
Re: gravity waves "detected" 372 brett z 20-Apr-16 23:42
Re: gravity waves "detected" 382 laughin 21-Apr-16 14:02
Re: gravity waves "detected" 295 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:45
Re: gravity waves "detected" 235 laughin 10-May-16 13:16
Re: gravity waves "detected" 311 OCaptain 10-May-16 13:21
Re: gravity waves "detected" 362 laughin 10-May-16 19:25
Re: gravity waves "detected" 477 OCaptain 10-May-16 22:56
Re: gravity waves "detected" 376 laughin 11-May-16 15:32
Re: gravity waves "detected" 464 JonnyMcA 11-May-16 16:53
Re: gravity waves "detected" 473 laughin 12-May-16 16:26
pompousness "detected" 407 laughin 18-May-16 15:25
bump- 2 weeks 515 laughin 27-May-16 15:02
Re: bump- 3 weeks 448 laughin 02-Jun-16 23:20
Re: bump- 4 weeks and why isn't Carolb patrolling the threads 443 laughin 10-Jun-16 15:42
Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 427 laughin 04-May-16 13:15
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 437 D-Archer 09-May-16 19:05
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 251 OCaptain 10-May-16 12:46
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 461 laughin 10-May-16 13:27
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 308 OCaptain 10-May-16 16:39
Re: Gravitational Waves from Black Hole Megamergers Are Weaker Than Predicted 363 laughin 10-May-16 19:10
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LIGO press conf, June 15 396 brett z 15-Jun-16 11:53
Re: LIGO press conf, June 15 380 D-Archer 15-Jun-16 14:48


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