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laughin Wrote:
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> Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books
> were some of the all time best sellers
> and his claims were going against "the standard
> view"
> disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best
> seller list, was deemed necessary to save
> "science"
>
> his prediction was that Venus would be hot,
> despite all the scifi and scientific claims of
> tropical bliss
>
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>
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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers
> gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest
> planets as scientists themselves held. The
> writers, after all, read up on the
> science.
>
>
>
>
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As for Venus, visitors might expect
> something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under
> perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that
> the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas
> (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled
> out
.
>
>
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As for Venus, radio observations published
> in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature,
> upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of
> lead. "It was very disappointing to many people,"
> one of the discoverers recalled, "who were
> reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet
> and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some
> astronomers worked up arguments that the radio
> measurements were misleading,
representing
> something in the upper atmosphere, so that life
> might still exist on Venus.
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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made
> a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from
> the large amount of CO2 that others had found in
> telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the
> effect could raise the surface temperature above
> the boiling point of water. But raising it as high
> as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a
> serious attack on the problem (after all, very
> few people were doing any kind of planetary
> astronomy in those decades)
. Finally in 1960 a
> young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the
> problem and got a solution that made his name
> known among astronomer
>
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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early
> years, was among those who had dreamed of a living
> sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had
> to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and
> probably lifeless planet.
>
>
>
> So after data shows that the scientists were
> wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer
> space"
> or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc
> "solutions" were needed
>
> Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the
> scientists predicted or could fathom
> but a mechanism was necessary to counter
> Velikovsky and explain the heat
>
>
> so who to believe
> someone whose predictions were correct from the
> start
> or those who were initially wrong and still can't
> come up with a mechanism for the data......

Repeating a baseless claim doesn't make it true.

Still waiting for that evidence.

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1816 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 409 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 393 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 286 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 269 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 315 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 258 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 273 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 220 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 287 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 228 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 317 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 335 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 305 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 274 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 284 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 260 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 195 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 184 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 274 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 175 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 153 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 187 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 251 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 347 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 196 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 214 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 218 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 235 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 302 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 230 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 222 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 218 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 199 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 189 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 241 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 336 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 298 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 430 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 219 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 224 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 315 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 321 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 269 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 165 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 164 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 197 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 189 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 176 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 254 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 186 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 616 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 311 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 287 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 207 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 164 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 365 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 379 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 308 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 284 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 353 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 495 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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