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Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books were some of the all time best sellers
and his claims were going against "the standard view"
disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best seller list, was deemed necessary to save "science"

his prediction was that Venus would be hot, despite all the scifi and scientific claims of tropical bliss


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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest planets as scientists themselves held. The writers, after all, read up on the science.




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As for Venus, visitors might expect something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled out
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As for Venus, radio observations published in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature, upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of lead. "It was very disappointing to many people," one of the discoverers recalled, "who were reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some astronomers worked up arguments that the radio measurements were misleading, representing something in the upper atmosphere, so that life might still exist on Venus.

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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from the large amount of CO2 that others had found in telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the effect could raise the surface temperature above the boiling point of water. But raising it as high as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a serious attack on the problem (after all, very few people were doing any kind of planetary astronomy in those decades). Finally in 1960 a young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the problem and got a solution that made his name known among astronomer




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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early years, was among those who had dreamed of a living sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and probably lifeless planet.



So after data shows that the scientists were wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer space"
or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc "solutions" were needed

Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the scientists predicted or could fathom
but a mechanism was necessary to counter Velikovsky and explain the heat


so who to believe
someone whose predictions were correct from the start
or those who were initially wrong and still can't come up with a mechanism for the data......

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1867 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 419 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 298 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 406 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 294 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 333 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 269 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 255 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 229 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 244 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 296 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 234 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 295 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 233 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 264 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 310 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 256 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 241 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 250 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 226 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 331 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 346 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 317 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 298 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 329 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 295 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 253 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 270 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 205 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 289 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 183 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 162 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 235 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 212 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 261 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 212 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 299 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 196 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 257 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 265 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 241 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 356 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 204 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 222 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 226 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 255 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 312 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 244 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 238 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 227 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 210 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 200 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 248 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 349 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 319 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 452 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 229 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 233 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 328 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 334 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 310 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 165 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 171 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 348 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 174 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 215 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 207 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 198 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 183 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 266 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 194 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 673 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 330 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 304 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 294 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 213 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 169 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 381 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 301 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 328 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 395 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 324 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 346 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 291 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 369 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 508 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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