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Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books were some of the all time best sellers
and his claims were going against "the standard view"
disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best seller list, was deemed necessary to save "science"

his prediction was that Venus would be hot, despite all the scifi and scientific claims of tropical bliss


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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest planets as scientists themselves held. The writers, after all, read up on the science.




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As for Venus, visitors might expect something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled out
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As for Venus, radio observations published in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature, upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of lead. "It was very disappointing to many people," one of the discoverers recalled, "who were reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some astronomers worked up arguments that the radio measurements were misleading, representing something in the upper atmosphere, so that life might still exist on Venus.

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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from the large amount of CO2 that others had found in telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the effect could raise the surface temperature above the boiling point of water. But raising it as high as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a serious attack on the problem (after all, very few people were doing any kind of planetary astronomy in those decades). Finally in 1960 a young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the problem and got a solution that made his name known among astronomer




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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early years, was among those who had dreamed of a living sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and probably lifeless planet.



So after data shows that the scientists were wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer space"
or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc "solutions" were needed

Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the scientists predicted or could fathom
but a mechanism was necessary to counter Velikovsky and explain the heat


so who to believe
someone whose predictions were correct from the start
or those who were initially wrong and still can't come up with a mechanism for the data......

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1816 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 409 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 289 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 393 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 286 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 269 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 315 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 258 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 273 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 220 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 215 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 287 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 228 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 317 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 335 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 305 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 274 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 284 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 183 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 260 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 195 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 274 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 153 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 187 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 347 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 196 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 214 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 218 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 235 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 302 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 230 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 222 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 218 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 199 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 189 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 241 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 336 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 298 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 430 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 219 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 224 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 315 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 321 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 176 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 154 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 269 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 165 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 189 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 164 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 178 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 197 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 189 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 176 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 254 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 186 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 616 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 311 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 207 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 164 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 365 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 379 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 308 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 325 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 284 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 353 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 495 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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