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Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books were some of the all time best sellers
and his claims were going against "the standard view"
disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best seller list, was deemed necessary to save "science"

his prediction was that Venus would be hot, despite all the scifi and scientific claims of tropical bliss


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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest planets as scientists themselves held. The writers, after all, read up on the science.




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As for Venus, visitors might expect something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled out
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As for Venus, radio observations published in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature, upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of lead. "It was very disappointing to many people," one of the discoverers recalled, "who were reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some astronomers worked up arguments that the radio measurements were misleading, representing something in the upper atmosphere, so that life might still exist on Venus.

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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from the large amount of CO2 that others had found in telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the effect could raise the surface temperature above the boiling point of water. But raising it as high as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a serious attack on the problem (after all, very few people were doing any kind of planetary astronomy in those decades). Finally in 1960 a young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the problem and got a solution that made his name known among astronomer




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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early years, was among those who had dreamed of a living sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and probably lifeless planet.



So after data shows that the scientists were wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer space"
or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc "solutions" were needed

Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the scientists predicted or could fathom
but a mechanism was necessary to counter Velikovsky and explain the heat


so who to believe
someone whose predictions were correct from the start
or those who were initially wrong and still can't come up with a mechanism for the data......

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1987 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 463 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 436 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 304 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 298 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 351 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 348 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 290 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 257 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 272 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 280 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 312 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 243 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 276 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 326 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 253 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 328 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 265 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 284 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 335 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 287 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 212 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 263 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 271 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 261 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 266 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 270 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 361 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 260 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 399 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 264 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 340 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 309 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 322 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 243 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 235 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 349 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 319 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 267 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 291 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 224 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 226 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 235 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 244 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 270 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 226 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 332 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 240 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 215 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 258 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 292 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 241 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 234 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 261 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 230 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 391 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 237 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 262 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 258 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 296 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 351 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 267 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 261 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 254 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 239 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 239 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 277 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 371 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 338 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 492 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 249 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 267 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 359 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 367 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 345 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 302 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 234 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 373 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 254 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 228 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 221 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 203 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 297 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 244 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 775 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 354 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 335 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 326 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 251 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 206 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 407 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 322 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 363 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 425 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 359 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 366 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 312 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 391 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 529 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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