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Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books were some of the all time best sellers
and his claims were going against "the standard view"
disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best seller list, was deemed necessary to save "science"

his prediction was that Venus would be hot, despite all the scifi and scientific claims of tropical bliss


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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest planets as scientists themselves held. The writers, after all, read up on the science.




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As for Venus, visitors might expect something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled out
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As for Venus, radio observations published in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature, upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of lead. "It was very disappointing to many people," one of the discoverers recalled, "who were reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some astronomers worked up arguments that the radio measurements were misleading, representing something in the upper atmosphere, so that life might still exist on Venus.

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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from the large amount of CO2 that others had found in telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the effect could raise the surface temperature above the boiling point of water. But raising it as high as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a serious attack on the problem (after all, very few people were doing any kind of planetary astronomy in those decades). Finally in 1960 a young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the problem and got a solution that made his name known among astronomer




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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early years, was among those who had dreamed of a living sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and probably lifeless planet.



So after data shows that the scientists were wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer space"
or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc "solutions" were needed

Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the scientists predicted or could fathom
but a mechanism was necessary to counter Velikovsky and explain the heat


so who to believe
someone whose predictions were correct from the start
or those who were initially wrong and still can't come up with a mechanism for the data......

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1939 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 438 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 305 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 422 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 302 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 272 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 340 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 334 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 276 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 239 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 259 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 264 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 297 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 236 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 251 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 271 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 310 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 241 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 302 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 240 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 271 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 318 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 263 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 257 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 239 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 249 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 338 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 364 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 240 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 326 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 295 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 253 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 306 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 336 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 303 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 261 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 277 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 213 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 301 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 170 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 242 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 220 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 268 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 220 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 305 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 227 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 263 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 263 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 275 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 230 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 247 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 363 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 212 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 231 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 234 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 278 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 322 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 252 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 248 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 241 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 219 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 213 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 253 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 357 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 323 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 468 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 235 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 241 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 335 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 342 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 321 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 289 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 179 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 209 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 357 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 180 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 214 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 205 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 190 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 273 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 204 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 726 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 339 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 212 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 310 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 301 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 220 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 177 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 394 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 307 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 338 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 412 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 333 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 353 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 297 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 379 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 517 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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