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Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books were some of the all time best sellers
and his claims were going against "the standard view"
disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best seller list, was deemed necessary to save "science"

his prediction was that Venus would be hot, despite all the scifi and scientific claims of tropical bliss


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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest planets as scientists themselves held. The writers, after all, read up on the science.




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As for Venus, visitors might expect something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled out
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As for Venus, radio observations published in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature, upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of lead. "It was very disappointing to many people," one of the discoverers recalled, "who were reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some astronomers worked up arguments that the radio measurements were misleading, representing something in the upper atmosphere, so that life might still exist on Venus.

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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from the large amount of CO2 that others had found in telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the effect could raise the surface temperature above the boiling point of water. But raising it as high as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a serious attack on the problem (after all, very few people were doing any kind of planetary astronomy in those decades). Finally in 1960 a young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the problem and got a solution that made his name known among astronomer




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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early years, was among those who had dreamed of a living sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and probably lifeless planet.



So after data shows that the scientists were wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer space"
or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc "solutions" were needed

Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the scientists predicted or could fathom
but a mechanism was necessary to counter Velikovsky and explain the heat


so who to believe
someone whose predictions were correct from the start
or those who were initially wrong and still can't come up with a mechanism for the data......

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1851 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 417 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 296 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 399 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 292 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 281 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 262 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 331 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 324 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 267 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 230 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 250 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 254 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 280 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 226 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 222 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 243 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 292 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 244 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 263 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 305 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 254 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 239 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 249 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 235 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 234 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 327 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 344 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 229 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 315 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 295 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 224 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 327 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 252 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 267 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 204 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 190 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 286 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 160 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 233 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 260 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 211 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 296 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 245 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 194 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 255 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 263 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 239 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 355 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 214 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 219 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 223 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 250 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 309 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 241 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 231 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 227 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 208 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 197 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 246 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 349 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 310 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 443 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 226 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 231 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 324 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 332 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 297 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 163 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 277 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 169 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 195 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 337 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 170 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 229 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 212 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 204 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 196 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 182 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 265 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 657 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 323 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 301 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 211 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 168 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 375 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 298 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 323 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 392 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 321 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 343 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 288 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 366 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 506 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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