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Remember, in the 40's, 50's, Velikovsky's books were some of the all time best sellers
and his claims were going against "the standard view"
disproving Velikovsky and getting him off the best seller list, was deemed necessary to save "science"

his prediction was that Venus would be hot, despite all the scifi and scientific claims of tropical bliss


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Until the 1950s, science fiction writers gave about as accurate a picture of the nearest planets as scientists themselves held. The writers, after all, read up on the science.




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As for Venus, visitors might expect something even more Earth-like, a steam bath under perpetual clouds. Some scientists suspected that the atmosphere was largely carbon dioxide gas (CO2), but even so abundant life was not ruled out
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As for Venus, radio observations published in 1958 showed an amazingly hot temperature, upwards of 600°K, around the melting point of lead. "It was very disappointing to many people," one of the discoverers recalled, "who were reluctant to give up the idea of a sister planet and perhaps even the possibility of life." Some astronomers worked up arguments that the radio measurements were misleading, representing something in the upper atmosphere, so that life might still exist on Venus.

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Already back in 1940, Rupert Wildt had made a rough calculation of the greenhouse effect from the large amount of CO2 that others had found in telescope studies of Venus; he predicted the effect could raise the surface temperature above the boiling point of water. But raising it as high as 600°K seemed impossible.(4*) Nobody mounted a serious attack on the problem (after all, very few people were doing any kind of planetary astronomy in those decades). Finally in 1960 a young doctoral student, Carl Sagan, took up the problem and got a solution that made his name known among astronomer




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Sagan, a science fiction fan from his early years, was among those who had dreamed of a living sister planet of swamp and ocean, but now he had to admit that "Venus is a hot, dry, sandy... and probably lifeless planet.



So after data shows that the scientists were wrong, both about Venus being "Tahiti in outer space"
or heated up by "global warming", other ad hoc "solutions" were needed

Venus, it turns out, was hotter than the scientists predicted or could fathom
but a mechanism was necessary to counter Velikovsky and explain the heat


so who to believe
someone whose predictions were correct from the start
or those who were initially wrong and still can't come up with a mechanism for the data......

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More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 1798 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 405 OCaptain 28-Oct-15 23:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 284 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 386 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 Laird Scranton 28-Oct-15 23:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 267 carolb 28-Oct-15 23:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 00:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 321 laughin 29-Oct-15 16:29
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 312 Starbinder 29-Oct-15 17:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 255 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 18:08
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 laughin 29-Oct-15 18:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 238 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:13
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 241 laughin 31-Oct-15 15:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 271 drrayeye 31-Oct-15 16:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 203 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 16:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 213 laughin 31-Oct-15 18:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 19:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 laughin 01-Nov-15 03:12
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 05:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 281 laughin 01-Nov-15 16:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 186 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:31
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 laughin 30-Oct-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 Aine 30-Oct-15 15:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 carolb 30-Oct-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:55
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 289 Aine 30-Oct-15 17:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 244 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 18:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 226 laughin 30-Oct-15 18:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 239 laughin 29-Oct-15 20:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 22:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 204 carolb 29-Oct-15 22:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 223 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 00:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 312 Aine 30-Oct-15 14:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 15:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 332 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 16:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 217 carolb 30-Oct-15 16:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 17:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 301 carolb 30-Oct-15 17:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 187 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:37
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 272 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:06
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 282 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 21:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 216 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 01:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 312 carolb 31-Oct-15 01:38
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 172 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 03:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 279 carolb 31-Oct-15 12:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 190 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:47
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 232 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 16:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 206 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 18:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:48
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 188 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 00:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 202 carolb 01-Nov-15 01:00
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 01:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 258 skakos 03-Nov-15 09:51
Conspiracy... 193 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:19
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 180 OCaptain 30-Oct-15 20:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 270 Laird Scranton 30-Oct-15 20:30
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 172 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 00:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 02:04
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 181 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 12:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 193 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 15:41
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 151 OCaptain 31-Oct-15 20:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 194 Laird Scranton 31-Oct-15 21:26
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 186 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 12:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 199 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 13:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 221 carolb 01-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 201 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 16:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:56
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 248 carolb 01-Nov-15 17:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 180 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 18:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 drrayeye 01-Nov-15 21:57
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 161 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 16:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 OCaptain 01-Nov-15 19:35
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 Laird Scranton 01-Nov-15 20:34
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 207 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 19:27
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 231 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:01
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 184 laughin 30-Oct-15 20:17
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 208 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 20:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 241 carolb 30-Oct-15 20:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 247 Starbinder 30-Oct-15 21:14
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 210 carolb 30-Oct-15 23:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 187 Starbinder 31-Oct-15 01:05
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 197 Starbinder 02-Nov-15 19:40
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 227 carolb 02-Nov-15 21:21
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 14:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 344 carolb 06-Nov-15 15:16
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 192 Starbinder 06-Nov-15 18:50
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 205 carolb 06-Nov-15 20:10
What about scientism? 208 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 08:19
Re: What about scientism? 214 carolb 07-Nov-15 12:59
Re: What about scientism? 230 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:55
Re: What about scientism? 297 carolb 07-Nov-15 17:37
Re: What about scientism? 227 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 19:55
"Blue sky thinking" 219 randompHactor 07-Nov-15 20:15
Re: What about scientism? 217 carolb 07-Nov-15 20:41
Re: What about scientism? 197 drrayeye 07-Nov-15 23:36
Re: What about scientism? 186 carolb 07-Nov-15 23:45
Re: What about scientism? 236 laughin 09-Nov-15 02:51
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 331 laughin 30-Oct-15 15:03
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 293 OCaptain 29-Oct-15 23:20
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 427 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 23:51
SUMMARY? 216 skakos 02-Nov-15 21:33
Mod Note > skakos – Switch View 221 Dr. Troglodyte 02-Nov-15 22:33
Re: SUMMARY? 313 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 23:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 316 Laird Scranton 29-Oct-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 16:53
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 279 drrayeye 02-Nov-15 19:52
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 151 Laird Scranton 02-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 264 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:44
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 162 drrayeye 03-Nov-15 16:09
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 OCaptain 03-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 185 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 18:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 322 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 161 laughin 03-Nov-15 19:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 21:02
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 04:58
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 06:18
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 171 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 14:30
Regarding myths... 195 skakos 03-Nov-15 11:46
Re: Regarding myths... 187 Laird Scranton 03-Nov-15 17:00
Re: off topic... 172 Ratcho 03-Nov-15 20:15
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 249 skakos 04-Nov-15 13:28
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 196 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:07
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 183 skakos 04-Nov-15 15:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 606 skakos 04-Nov-15 22:22
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 306 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 01:11
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 200 skakos 05-Nov-15 14:10
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 191 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 14:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 286 skakos 05-Nov-15 19:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 182 Laird Scranton 05-Nov-15 19:42
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 04-Nov-15 21:23
Cosmic Disconnect 204 laughin 06-Nov-15 15:00
Re: Cosmic Disconnect 159 OCaptain 07-Nov-15 13:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 360 skakos 16-Nov-15 12:46
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 287 OCaptain 16-Nov-15 13:54
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 312 skakos 16-Nov-15 15:36
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 376 OCaptain 17-Nov-15 01:23
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 303 skakos 18-Nov-15 18:32
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 322 Ratcho 18-Nov-15 18:45
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 283 OCaptain 19-Nov-15 00:49
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 346 skakos 19-Nov-15 07:24
Re: More comet evidence in support of Velikovsky 490 skakos 27-Dec-15 22:04


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