"it is the mad men, men, don't hear about women?
- While the people who commit this specific act are important to identify, if we do hope to understand and perhaps mitigate this happening, I think we should take care not to apply or even hint at a sexist frame. I'm not saying that you are but there are people like Aine who do.
"it is the mad.... who use them wrongly that is the problem."
- Yes. So why take it out on the tool or those who use over 300 million of these tools each day?
"Fire is useful too, but pyromaniacs are no good. Not much can be done about the last, but something can be done about too many guns"
- Again, why take it out on the tool? Drunk driving or like ldenny pointed out up thread, texting and driving, kill and maim far more people each year than firearms. The numbers skyrocket when you just look at driving in general. By your gun logic, why aren't we outlawing alcohol, phones, or cars?
"especially the automatic ones."
- They already are, save for a person going through the highest level of background checks and spending $10,000 to $50,000+ for the one rifle made before 1986.... I posted this on "Assault Weapons" a while ago.
"It has been done successfully in Australia."
- That's debatable. The murder trend didn't change from the decades prior, which was always in the decline - just like in the US, where both gun ownership and population have drastically increased. What isn't debatable is the subordinate and subjugated state of the Australian people. They're like how every dictatorial power wants them, unarmed.