> Hi All
> The subject is whether our present forms of
> government or ideas of governing are adequate to
> meet possible or probable futures?
So you take the solutions to overpopulation out of the hands of science and put it the hands of politicians. Your governing option is bogus. It will be science that solves the problem.
Yet Ray, who brags of being a scientist of some sort, thinks the political angle is important and worth discussion.
> Some believe there is nothing short of extreme
> measures in population control which will change
> this eventuality because the main driver is the
> evolution of fertility rate.
"Fertility rate" evolves? That's pretty much a meaningless statement.
But since Ray sees your OP as well presented, maybe he can explain this worthless term.
> Which is fewer children need to be born. A lot more.
Which is it - fewer or more??? Children need to be born? How does that work? Something that is not yet formed, not yet conceived, NEEDS to be born. Or does a child meet the needs of the parents?
> It's estimated the world population grows by 83 million
> a year right now. This is with birth control,
> worldwide abortions of around 50 million annually
> and death rate of 50 million annually and trending
The entire "world" doesn't practice or have access to birth control and/or abortions. Your statement is categorically incorrect.
> Which brings up the subject of should we allow more people to die?
Versus - allow them to live? Do we ALLOW anyone to live? Or do people just do that...live, no matter what we allow. Gee, did someone allow me to live, or did I just go about doing it. So who exactly ALLOWS people to die? Doctors just walk away and ALLOW someone to die? Parents are walking away from their kids ALLOWING them to die? Or is it the politicians and churches? Your question is ridiculous.
Just what the hell are you talking about?
> Taking this one step more with diminishing
> resources, technological advances reducing
> jobs,etc. will population quality as well as
> quantity control also become an issue?
I hate to tell you this but quality of life is already an issue, it always has been.... since the beginning of man. And your "quantity control" has been feared since ……..
Tertullian was a resident of the city of Carthage in the second century CE, when the population of the world was about 190 million (only 3–4% of what it is today). He notably said: "What most frequently meets our view (and occasions complaint) is our teeming population. Our numbers are burdensome to the world, which can hardly support us.... In very deed, pestilence, and famine, and wars, and earthquakes have to be regarded as a remedy for nations, as the means of pruning the luxuriance of the human race."
1800 years later those who imagine a threat from uncontrollable numbers still shout - the sky is falling!
But Ray thinks this issue recycles every few years. How about a more realistic view, it has been discussed for at least 2000 years.
> Keep in mind we are breeding deficiencies into our gene
> pool instead of out as in natural selection.
Says who? The gene pool has nothing to do with overpopulation as a numbers game. Why did you even throw that in? I see one genetic mishap.... YOU
> If so are democratic forms of government
> inadequate whereby we will need to accept more
> authoritarian governments who are allowed more
A twisted perspective you have there. You make "control" the answer. Control by those you think are in a superior position to determine who controls what and whom. A totally trumperian attitude.
For the life of me I do not see why Ray thinks your post is well presented and worth discussion. His typical lack of comment on the subject matter is nothing more than an attempt to manipulate what he sees as his captive class students.
You bring up no valid scientific points, you confound overpopulation concepts/numbers with politics and genetics. B e c a u s e...….. you see the issue as one of an overwhelming number of undesirables consuming the precious resources of the privileged. In your stingy mind there is not enough for everyone, there is no way for everyone to have enough, so some cave man like trump is justified in culling the herd. Your narrow mind cannot conceive of solutions that provide for and accommodate a growing population. You don't want solutions.