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Buck 45 Wrote:
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> ... you do not know all the answers.

No doy. Didn't say I did

> "In other words, Finland has a huge logging
> industry. Growing trees is their business and
> "clearcutting" is a technique for tree farming."

> - True. However, you seem to have skipped this;
> "When the new succession has started in the
> previously clear-cut forest, Finnish law requires
> thinning operations... this again lessens the
> probability of uncontrolled wild fires."

Nooooo, that's what the blogger said, who didn't cite any references at all.
Sorry but an unverifiable blogger does not make it truth.
Source please for "lessens the probability of uncontrolled wild fires".
If you can't verify it, it's BS

> That's what's called, wildfire prevention. You do that
> practice on the macro you get what's called 'fire
> breaks' and if you do it properly, you only get
> small patches of fires.

source??

> Now, there are plenty of factors involved,
> especially when comparing and contrasting
> California and Finland. However, there's little
> disparity between Finland and Sweden, and in the
> former, we see far less wildland fires than in the
> later (numbers range from 500 hectares in Finland
> to 25,000 in Sweden). The main difference is of
> course Finland's forest management and their main
> 'management' practice is logging/forest industry.

Nonsense
The "management practice" IS NOT TO PREVENT FIRES. It is for harvesting and re-growing trees.

The main differences between Calif and Finland:
Finland doesn't go without rain for 6 months while simultaneously being baked at 105-115°
Finland doesn't have a 400 mile long mountain range for dozers to climb

You guys, including the pouty thing, just don't understand.
> You rightly point out that logging is big business
> in Finland and in years past that was also true of
> California. However, since the 80's, the logging
> industry has been gutted and is only a 1/3 to 1/4
> of its former glory. This gutting was especially
> so for Federal lands. You can read their (the
> USDA/US Forest Service) most recent report (pdf)
> [url=https://www.fs.usda.gov/treesearch/pubs/49762
> ]here[/url]. For many, including myself, this is
> the source of our forest mismanagement indictment.
> If California still had a vibrant forest
> industry, would we be having the kinds of wildland
> fires that we're having today? I'd say no.

Nonsense
Try it. Let your lawn or garden go without water for 6 months and at the same time place a space heater over it to bake it to 105°. Take a toy dozer and clear a patch in your experiment. Then place a huge fan that blows 30-50MPH. Now use something to simulate lightning, or a spark from a power line, or a stupid human with a match. Will you have a fire and how fast will your lawn go up in flames? Flames will jump your 'clear cut' patch. In fact, the worst fire, the Camp Fire, jumped a river.

> Oh, and this - "The dozer is removing stumps which
> are used in their pulp and paper industry. NONE OF
> THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WILDFIRE
> MANAGEMENT!!"

> - Firstly, so much shouting. Y tho?!

You think it's cool when Trump shouts.

> Second, removing of stumps along with the tiling of the
> earth, while being useful in their business model
> is also a practice used to mitigate wildland fires
> i.e. fire prevention! :D

You've got to be kidding.
So Calif should remove the stumps?
What stumps? Where do you think all these stumps are in the Sierra Nevada mountains?
Maybe you can come up with a video of a bulldozer climbing the Sierras and squeezing between the trees.

> Now does this 'vindicate Trump?' Did he need
> 'vindicating' or for people to just take a few
> minutes to ask some questions? It sure looks like
> some or all of a forest industry helps mitigate
> fires... kind of like a Finnish industry......

Trump said a stupid thing - rake the forests. You trumpers desperately try to justify/explain all the stupid things he says.

> To change the mood a bit, check out this lovely,
> 10 min, forest management video,
> [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtF0R2JXAQ8]h
> ere[/url]. A great place from which to start, no?

No. Why would it be a place to start?

> I don't see how a community, a county, a state,
> or even a nation, couldn't adopt some variant of
> that video's ethos! I mean, we've got enough
> tree-huggers and there's certainly money to be
> made in wood..... :D

Seriously? omg
Most of the forest land is owned by the government. Are they in the logging business?
Satoyama, Finland and Sweden DO NOT have climates like Calif. They get a lot of rain throughout the year and they don't have the heat!!

Do you not understand the effects of rain and heat on a forest a bush or grass?

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Apparently Finland Does "Rake" Forests For Fire Prevention 527 Race Jackson 16-Dec-18 23:39
Re: Apparently Finland Does "Rake" Forests For Fire Prevention 181 Audrey 17-Dec-18 06:16
Confucius say... 136 Buck 45 17-Dec-18 09:11
Re: Confucius say... 132 Audrey 18-Dec-18 00:14
Re: Confucius say... 116 Jock 18-Dec-18 01:10
Can't see the forest through the trees XD 138 Buck 45 18-Dec-18 03:10
Brow beat 99 calisurfer30 19-Dec-18 00:15
Sounds about right 76 Buck 45 19-Dec-18 06:14
Re: Can't see the forest through the trees XD 80 Audrey 19-Dec-18 05:19
#OrangeManBad 87 Buck 45 19-Dec-18 05:59
Re: #OrangeManBad 80 Warwick 19-Dec-18 09:12
Yup 76 Buck 45 19-Dec-18 19:55
Re: Yup 72 Warwick 19-Dec-18 20:10
Agreed (n/t) 112 Buck 45 19-Dec-18 22:28
Re: Yup 69 Audrey 20-Dec-18 04:04
Re: Yup 65 Warwick 20-Dec-18 06:44
Re: #OrangeManBad 73 Audrey 20-Dec-18 03:55
You make us laugh XD 83 Buck 45 20-Dec-18 06:29
Re: You make us laugh XD 82 Brian Patterson 20-Dec-18 06:36
Fram oil 141 Buck 45 20-Dec-18 06:59
Re: #OrangeManBad 72 Warwick 20-Dec-18 06:48


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