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Peter, you missed again. There's a difference between trying to find common ground, acknowledging that a person cares, and trying to paint a person as wonderful or whatever.

I'm glad that the climate thing touched a chord though, because it suggests you're more anti that, than, perhaps, cognizant if how varied collectivism is. You seem to have trained your mind to think that it's a left liberal thing only. It is not.

From here you have a choice, to deny that it is a much more inclusive concept, or embrace the greater reality.

You say you favour universal health. You would vote for it, no? If so, then how can you not say you're being a collectivist... in that context?

That's all I'm saying. This is not a discussion about my interest in climate change . It is about a term you introduced. See how you immediately got diverted? That should tell you something.

I'm inviting you to examine that concept more inclusively, that's all. That's the most relevant approach, imo.

If you opened up that way, I think you'll find that others here, self confessed liberals would agree with you on many sub topics. In the absence of that, you look partisan, as one who who only wants to apply a negative label some of the time.

That's why I invited this thread, to give you a chance to present yourself in a more accurate light. I'm trying to do you a favour, because clearly some people here have declared you a lost cause, which may be fair if you are indeed only willing to rail against some forms of collectivism.

If that's true then your issue can't really be about collectivism. It's narrower.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06-Dec-18 04:24 by Poster Boy.

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Step back to the past 606 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 192 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 97 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 105 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 95 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 103 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 101 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 98 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 147 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 91 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 104 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 106 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 101 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 117 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 101 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 100 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 109 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 101 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 97 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 96 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 91 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 100 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 97 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 104 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 104 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 96 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 98 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 96 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 104 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 92 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 95 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 101 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 97 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 98 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 92 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 105 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 97 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 103 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 109 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 96 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 190 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 97 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 99 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 97 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 105 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 94 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 103 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 102 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 99 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 92 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 103 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 97 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 102 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 105 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 95 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 97 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 89 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 99 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 117 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 92 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 103 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 92 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 114 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 157 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 136 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 154 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 147 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 131 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 176 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 174 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 154 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 99 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 96 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 99 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 93 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 101 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 172 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 117 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 108 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 111 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 112 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 111 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 102 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 102 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 100 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 97 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 99 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 96 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 107 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 98 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 98 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 103 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 99 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 106 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 117 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 97 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 98 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 104 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 89 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 163 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 93 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 175 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 105 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 109 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 102 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 106 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 116 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 108 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 102 PB Bytes 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 103 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 112 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 116 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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