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Peter, you missed again. There's a difference between trying to find common ground, acknowledging that a person cares, and trying to paint a person as wonderful or whatever.

I'm glad that the climate thing touched a chord though, because it suggests you're more anti that, than, perhaps, cognizant if how varied collectivism is. You seem to have trained your mind to think that it's a left liberal thing only. It is not.

From here you have a choice, to deny that it is a much more inclusive concept, or embrace the greater reality.

You say you favour universal health. You would vote for it, no? If so, then how can you not say you're being a collectivist... in that context?

That's all I'm saying. This is not a discussion about my interest in climate change . It is about a term you introduced. See how you immediately got diverted? That should tell you something.

I'm inviting you to examine that concept more inclusively, that's all. That's the most relevant approach, imo.

If you opened up that way, I think you'll find that others here, self confessed liberals would agree with you on many sub topics. In the absence of that, you look partisan, as one who who only wants to apply a negative label some of the time.

That's why I invited this thread, to give you a chance to present yourself in a more accurate light. I'm trying to do you a favour, because clearly some people here have declared you a lost cause, which may be fair if you are indeed only willing to rail against some forms of collectivism.

If that's true then your issue can't really be about collectivism. It's narrower.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06-Dec-18 04:24 by Poster Boy.

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Step back to the past 543 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 139 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 66 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 71 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 61 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 64 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 69 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 65 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 97 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 60 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 72 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 71 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 67 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 81 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 63 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 67 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 73 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 64 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 62 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 67 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 59 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 64 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 67 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 70 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 73 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 63 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 66 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 63 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 67 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 61 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 61 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 64 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 67 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 63 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 58 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 72 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 67 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 71 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 62 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 65 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 127 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 63 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 58 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 63 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 72 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 65 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 68 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 66 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 66 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 62 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 68 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 67 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 68 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 68 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 66 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 65 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 55 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 62 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 65 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 59 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 67 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 61 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 80 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 107 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 90 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 91 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 102 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 84 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 96 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 111 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 96 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 50 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 52 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 60 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 62 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 58 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 124 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 84 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 73 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 75 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 81 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 69 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 69 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 69 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 70 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 64 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 66 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 66 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 71 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 65 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 67 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 69 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 65 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 60 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 83 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 61 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 64 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 59 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 59 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 116 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 58 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 125 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 72 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 74 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 69 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 76 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 79 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 70 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 72 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 70 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 78 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 76 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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