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Well done, Peter.

This was a nicely articulated reply. I think you'll find many sympathizers in the most general sense. Liberal or Conservative, many among us don't care for the personality type you describe here... I think.

First things first. A while back I said that I believe we are all liberal and conservative. Here'll, I just say that applies to me, and that in general I presume that I am a lot of other 'ists', for where such labels exist they tend to apply to an aspect of the universal human condition. There are definitely some things I am not, mind you, one being an anarchist.

With this in mind, when you said collectivist I asked myself, what does that term mean to me and how can I relate to Peter? I was immediately reminded of my undergrad years, at the University of Oregon, and certain personalities that were very much the annoying kind you describe. Something other than liberal. Things were worse in law school, as the faculty there was much more flagrantly political, and arrogant for having thought that they had gamed the system to their Leftist political agenda.

So, I can relate. Definitely. But I would suggest that 'collectivism' is a much more inclusive concept, in that the requisite arrogance and social engineering is sen to occur at all points along the political spectrum. I believe you are genuine, Peter, but I think maybe you are spinning your wheels a bit too much by focusing on oen area where this occurs.

If I were you - if you haven't alread - I might suggest considering Rush Limbaugh, for one, who in my mind is the Elsworth Toohey of right wing radio. He's a manipulator, a totally arrogant piece, and a very determined engineer of the masses. Recent events have reminded me that the NFL is too,to cite another example, as it silently continues to try to get America to simply accept the fact that justice is served when a man gets a two-game suspension for women-beating. After all, it's all about winning, ain't it?

The list goes on.

The end game of this discussion, if it were to be regarded as a debate, is that somehow all these other analogies are not that. I would suggest going the other way, as finding common denominators here may be the better, more relevant route to take.

Beyond this, a further very good question might go, When does Peter Archaic decide to be a collectivist?

I can think of several instances where I might get my collectivist groove on. One of them concerns climate change and how we might be able to reverse the course we're on. I trust the status quo perception of science, on faith. I can never know it all. But this is one of these situations where I would be willing to impose my will on your life (assuming you think nothing should be done about carbon emissions, for example), because I don't think we can afford to dick around on this matter and allow denialists to seize or stall the agenda. By 'your' I am speaking in the plural. That makes me a 'collectivist,' in this instance.

My follow-up question is, When are you a collectivist?

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Step back to the past 579 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 178 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 87 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 97 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 86 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 92 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 93 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 88 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 133 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 81 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 96 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 100 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 91 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 107 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 87 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 92 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 99 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 85 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 89 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 89 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 81 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 90 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 89 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 94 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 96 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 88 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 88 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 87 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 94 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 83 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 87 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 91 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 89 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 89 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 83 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 98 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 89 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 92 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 89 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 89 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 173 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 87 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 81 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 87 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 95 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 84 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 93 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 89 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 91 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 85 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 88 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 93 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 95 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 88 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 88 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 79 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 86 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 99 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 86 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 92 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 84 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 103 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 142 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 120 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 126 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 132 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 116 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 145 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 156 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 133 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 82 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 78 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 82 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 74 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 81 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 157 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 108 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 98 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 102 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 102 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 92 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 93 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 92 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 90 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 89 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 89 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 88 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 89 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 89 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 91 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 89 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 92 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 108 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 92 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 87 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 83 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 80 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 149 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 80 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 162 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 94 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 101 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 93 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 96 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 106 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 93 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 94 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 105 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 100 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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