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Well done, Peter.

This was a nicely articulated reply. I think you'll find many sympathizers in the most general sense. Liberal or Conservative, many among us don't care for the personality type you describe here... I think.

First things first. A while back I said that I believe we are all liberal and conservative. Here'll, I just say that applies to me, and that in general I presume that I am a lot of other 'ists', for where such labels exist they tend to apply to an aspect of the universal human condition. There are definitely some things I am not, mind you, one being an anarchist.

With this in mind, when you said collectivist I asked myself, what does that term mean to me and how can I relate to Peter? I was immediately reminded of my undergrad years, at the University of Oregon, and certain personalities that were very much the annoying kind you describe. Something other than liberal. Things were worse in law school, as the faculty there was much more flagrantly political, and arrogant for having thought that they had gamed the system to their Leftist political agenda.

So, I can relate. Definitely. But I would suggest that 'collectivism' is a much more inclusive concept, in that the requisite arrogance and social engineering is sen to occur at all points along the political spectrum. I believe you are genuine, Peter, but I think maybe you are spinning your wheels a bit too much by focusing on oen area where this occurs.

If I were you - if you haven't alread - I might suggest considering Rush Limbaugh, for one, who in my mind is the Elsworth Toohey of right wing radio. He's a manipulator, a totally arrogant piece, and a very determined engineer of the masses. Recent events have reminded me that the NFL is too,to cite another example, as it silently continues to try to get America to simply accept the fact that justice is served when a man gets a two-game suspension for women-beating. After all, it's all about winning, ain't it?

The list goes on.

The end game of this discussion, if it were to be regarded as a debate, is that somehow all these other analogies are not that. I would suggest going the other way, as finding common denominators here may be the better, more relevant route to take.

Beyond this, a further very good question might go, When does Peter Archaic decide to be a collectivist?

I can think of several instances where I might get my collectivist groove on. One of them concerns climate change and how we might be able to reverse the course we're on. I trust the status quo perception of science, on faith. I can never know it all. But this is one of these situations where I would be willing to impose my will on your life (assuming you think nothing should be done about carbon emissions, for example), because I don't think we can afford to dick around on this matter and allow denialists to seize or stall the agenda. By 'your' I am speaking in the plural. That makes me a 'collectivist,' in this instance.

My follow-up question is, When are you a collectivist?

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Step back to the past 570 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 164 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 81 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 86 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 78 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 80 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 84 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 80 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 121 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 74 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 86 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 85 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 82 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 97 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 78 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 82 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 88 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 78 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 77 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 81 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 72 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 79 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 81 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 87 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 89 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 77 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 78 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 79 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 82 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 73 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 76 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 80 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 80 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 80 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 74 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 89 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 80 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 85 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 80 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 76 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 167 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 78 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 72 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 79 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 88 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 79 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 84 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 82 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 80 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 75 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 83 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 80 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 84 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 86 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 80 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 80 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 70 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 76 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 81 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 76 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 86 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 75 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 93 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 131 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 109 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 121 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 120 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 101 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 134 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 142 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 119 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 66 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 65 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 74 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 70 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 73 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 148 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 101 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 88 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 91 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 93 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 86 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 83 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 84 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 84 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 78 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 80 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 83 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 89 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 79 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 84 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 83 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 79 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 78 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 100 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 76 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 81 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 74 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 71 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 137 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 73 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 150 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 89 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 88 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 83 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 91 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 96 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 83 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 86 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 85 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 92 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 90 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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