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Well done, Peter.

This was a nicely articulated reply. I think you'll find many sympathizers in the most general sense. Liberal or Conservative, many among us don't care for the personality type you describe here... I think.

First things first. A while back I said that I believe we are all liberal and conservative. Here'll, I just say that applies to me, and that in general I presume that I am a lot of other 'ists', for where such labels exist they tend to apply to an aspect of the universal human condition. There are definitely some things I am not, mind you, one being an anarchist.

With this in mind, when you said collectivist I asked myself, what does that term mean to me and how can I relate to Peter? I was immediately reminded of my undergrad years, at the University of Oregon, and certain personalities that were very much the annoying kind you describe. Something other than liberal. Things were worse in law school, as the faculty there was much more flagrantly political, and arrogant for having thought that they had gamed the system to their Leftist political agenda.

So, I can relate. Definitely. But I would suggest that 'collectivism' is a much more inclusive concept, in that the requisite arrogance and social engineering is sen to occur at all points along the political spectrum. I believe you are genuine, Peter, but I think maybe you are spinning your wheels a bit too much by focusing on oen area where this occurs.

If I were you - if you haven't alread - I might suggest considering Rush Limbaugh, for one, who in my mind is the Elsworth Toohey of right wing radio. He's a manipulator, a totally arrogant piece, and a very determined engineer of the masses. Recent events have reminded me that the NFL is too,to cite another example, as it silently continues to try to get America to simply accept the fact that justice is served when a man gets a two-game suspension for women-beating. After all, it's all about winning, ain't it?

The list goes on.

The end game of this discussion, if it were to be regarded as a debate, is that somehow all these other analogies are not that. I would suggest going the other way, as finding common denominators here may be the better, more relevant route to take.

Beyond this, a further very good question might go, When does Peter Archaic decide to be a collectivist?

I can think of several instances where I might get my collectivist groove on. One of them concerns climate change and how we might be able to reverse the course we're on. I trust the status quo perception of science, on faith. I can never know it all. But this is one of these situations where I would be willing to impose my will on your life (assuming you think nothing should be done about carbon emissions, for example), because I don't think we can afford to dick around on this matter and allow denialists to seize or stall the agenda. By 'your' I am speaking in the plural. That makes me a 'collectivist,' in this instance.

My follow-up question is, When are you a collectivist?

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Step back to the past 524 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 116 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 62 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 66 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 56 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 60 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 65 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 62 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 89 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 57 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 68 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 67 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 63 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 78 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 58 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 64 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 68 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 59 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 58 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 62 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 54 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 61 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 64 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 65 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 69 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 59 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 61 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 59 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 62 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 58 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 57 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 60 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 62 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 59 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 55 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 68 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 62 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 67 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 57 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 60 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 107 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 59 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 54 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 60 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 68 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 62 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 64 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 61 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 62 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 58 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 63 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 62 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 65 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 62 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 63 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 61 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 52 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 58 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 61 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 55 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 61 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 56 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 71 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 89 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 81 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 81 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 91 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 77 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 87 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 101 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 89 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 46 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 46 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 55 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 58 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 52 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 109 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 79 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 70 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 70 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 76 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 64 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 66 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 65 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 67 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 60 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 63 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 61 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 65 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 61 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 63 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 64 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 61 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 55 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 80 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 57 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 60 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 55 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 55 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 105 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 51 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 111 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 68 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 69 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 65 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 73 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 75 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 66 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 69 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 67 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 74 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 73 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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