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Well done, Peter.

This was a nicely articulated reply. I think you'll find many sympathizers in the most general sense. Liberal or Conservative, many among us don't care for the personality type you describe here... I think.

First things first. A while back I said that I believe we are all liberal and conservative. Here'll, I just say that applies to me, and that in general I presume that I am a lot of other 'ists', for where such labels exist they tend to apply to an aspect of the universal human condition. There are definitely some things I am not, mind you, one being an anarchist.

With this in mind, when you said collectivist I asked myself, what does that term mean to me and how can I relate to Peter? I was immediately reminded of my undergrad years, at the University of Oregon, and certain personalities that were very much the annoying kind you describe. Something other than liberal. Things were worse in law school, as the faculty there was much more flagrantly political, and arrogant for having thought that they had gamed the system to their Leftist political agenda.

So, I can relate. Definitely. But I would suggest that 'collectivism' is a much more inclusive concept, in that the requisite arrogance and social engineering is sen to occur at all points along the political spectrum. I believe you are genuine, Peter, but I think maybe you are spinning your wheels a bit too much by focusing on oen area where this occurs.

If I were you - if you haven't alread - I might suggest considering Rush Limbaugh, for one, who in my mind is the Elsworth Toohey of right wing radio. He's a manipulator, a totally arrogant piece, and a very determined engineer of the masses. Recent events have reminded me that the NFL is too,to cite another example, as it silently continues to try to get America to simply accept the fact that justice is served when a man gets a two-game suspension for women-beating. After all, it's all about winning, ain't it?

The list goes on.

The end game of this discussion, if it were to be regarded as a debate, is that somehow all these other analogies are not that. I would suggest going the other way, as finding common denominators here may be the better, more relevant route to take.

Beyond this, a further very good question might go, When does Peter Archaic decide to be a collectivist?

I can think of several instances where I might get my collectivist groove on. One of them concerns climate change and how we might be able to reverse the course we're on. I trust the status quo perception of science, on faith. I can never know it all. But this is one of these situations where I would be willing to impose my will on your life (assuming you think nothing should be done about carbon emissions, for example), because I don't think we can afford to dick around on this matter and allow denialists to seize or stall the agenda. By 'your' I am speaking in the plural. That makes me a 'collectivist,' in this instance.

My follow-up question is, When are you a collectivist?

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Subject Views Written By Posted
Step back to the past 600 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 16:02
Re: Step back to the past 188 Eddie Larry 04-Dec-18 16:38
Re: Step back to the past 92 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:21
Re: Step back to the past 100 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Step back to the past 92 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:15
Re: Step back to the past 98 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:18
Re: Step back to the past 98 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 21:42
Re: Step back to the past 95 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:06
Re: Step back to the past 143 Eddie Larry 05-Dec-18 23:05
P O O 87 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:26
drip drip drip 101 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 08:32
Just another drip 103 Barbelo 05-Dec-18 10:47
One drip at a time 98 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:35
Re: Step back to the past 111 ldennyjr 05-Dec-18 15:58
Not at all 97 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 16:29
Re: Not at all 97 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:50
Re: Not at all 104 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:53
Re: Not at all 94 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 16:57
Re: Not at all 94 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:00
Re: Not at all 93 Jock 05-Dec-18 17:02
Re: Not at all 86 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 97 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 17:32
Re: Not at all 94 Jock 05-Dec-18 18:00
Re: Not at all 99 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 20:14
Re: Not at all 101 Archaic 05-Dec-18 18:23
Re: Not at all 92 eli stills 05-Dec-18 18:49
Re: Not at all 93 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 92 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:02
big miss here, Pete 99 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:08
Re: big miss here, Pete 89 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:09
Re: big miss here, Pete 91 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: big miss here, Pete 96 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:56
Re: big miss here, Pete 94 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 22:14
Re: big miss here, Pete 94 Archaic 05-Dec-18 22:20
Re: big miss here, Pete 88 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:04
Re: Not at all 102 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 19:27
Re: Not at all 93 Archaic 05-Dec-18 19:33
Re: Not at all 98 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 20:18
Re: Not at all 105 Warwick 05-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Not at all 92 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:08
Re: Not at all 183 Archaic 05-Dec-18 20:40
Re: Not at all 92 eli stills 05-Dec-18 21:33
Re: Not at all 94 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 21:43
Re: Not at all 94 Jock 05-Dec-18 21:52
Re: Not at all 101 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:55
Re: Not at all 90 eli stills 05-Dec-18 23:05
Re: Not at all 98 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
Re: Not at all 96 eli stills 06-Dec-18 01:05
Excellent summation 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:03
Re: Excellent summation 89 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:23
Re: Excellent summation 99 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:38
Re: Excellent summation 93 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:45
Re: Excellent summation 99 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:52
Re: Excellent summation 101 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 03:54
Re: Excellent summation 92 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:01
What QAnon Arrests? 93 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 85 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:49
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 93 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 20:32
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 111 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 20:37
More WW BS 89 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 21:37
Re: More WW BS 98 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 21:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 89 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 22:06
Re: More WW BS + More BS 109 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 12:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 152 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 19:39
Re: More WW BS + More BS 132 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 19:42
Re: More WW BS + More BS 139 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:26
Re: More WW BS + More BS 142 WhoWeird 07-Dec-18 21:32
Re: More WW BS + More BS 126 eli stills 07-Dec-18 21:52
Re: More WW BS + More BS 158 Barbelo 07-Dec-18 21:56
Re: More WW BS + More BS 168 eli stills 07-Dec-18 22:15
Re: More WW BS + More BS 148 WhoWeird 08-Dec-18 00:30
Re: More WW BS + More BS 94 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:48
Re: More WW BS + More BS 92 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 22:00
Re: More WW BS + More BS 95 Archaic 12-Dec-18 23:40
Re: More WW BS + More BS 90 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 03:27
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 97 WhoWeird 12-Dec-18 21:05
Re: What QAnon Arrests? 168 WhoWeird 13-Dec-18 19:20
Re: Excellent summation 113 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:03
Re: Not at all 105 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 23:09
Re: Not at all 107 Archaic 06-Dec-18 00:03
COLLECTIVIST et al 108 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 01:53
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 107 Archaic 06-Dec-18 03:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 99 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:23
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 98 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:29
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:38
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 94 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:41
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:52
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 93 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 103 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:59
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 94 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:01
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 94 Archaic 06-Dec-18 05:04
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 98 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:08
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 95 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 05:10
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 101 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:55
Re: COLLECTIVIST et al 114 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 11:54
Thanks for trying--I think 94 drrayeye 06-Dec-18 11:53
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 92 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 17:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 100 Archaic 06-Dec-18 19:59
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 86 Archaic 06-Dec-18 20:01
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 157 eli stills 06-Dec-18 22:49
Re: Thanks for trying--I think 87 Archaic 12-Dec-18 21:26
Re: Not at all 171 muppedo 09-Dec-18 01:06
Re: Not at all 101 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 19:35
Re: Not at all 106 Jock 05-Dec-18 20:51
Re: Not at all 97 Archaic 05-Dec-18 21:10
Re: Not at all 100 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 02:57
Re: Not at all 112 Jock 06-Dec-18 04:42
Re: Not at all 103 Archaic 06-Dec-18 04:48
Re: Not at all 98 Poster Boy 06-Dec-18 04:54
Re: Not at all 100 Jock 06-Dec-18 06:59
S**T Flinging 109 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 07:06
MOTHER What? 111 Barbelo 06-Dec-18 06:12


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