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Hi Jock

Our medical system isn't perfect, of course. What macro national program actually is? If anyone cares to compile a list of American ones that work flawlessly, I'd love to see it. For the far right homers, who will likely say that such entities are flawed because of government's involvement, show us a large business that functions perfectly. Listen very carefully then, to the voices who mock the efforts of countries that proactively seek to adequately protect ALL of their citizens, rather than only the rich. Invariably, they will return to the line of BS, which essentially entails looking for flaws in a healthcare system, when they know that no large entity is ever perfect. What's the point? There is none and the people parroting such noise know it. They persist because they are not interested in truth, only self-serving politicking.

Try living outside of the USA for an extended period of time, and you will see how vacuous the USA's debate over this issue is. It is astonishingly backward and heartless policy, relatively speaking, especially when one considers that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. What a national disgrace.

Obama's attempt to rectify this situation was one of the most laudable things I can ever remember coming out of US macro policy. However, the moment when I saw how he intended to do it, I figured it was destined to fail. You CANNOT monetize health and leave national health policy up to the whims of the free market. The only way to do this, is to nationalize health care. You can't compromise with the Devil, which in this case is greed personified.

Give US citizen full universal coverage once, and he/she will never give it up.

From the time of Adam Smith,the principal justification of free enterprise has been that it distributes wealth to society as a whole. Other developed nations recognized, decades ago, that this concept can translate to health for all.

What I can say, speaking as somebody who is American and Canadian, and has lived in both countries for many years, is that the peace of mind in this country because of medical care makes this service far, far beyond 'pretty good'. It is FANTASTIC, compared to what's going on south of the 49th, where citizens are basically treated as a commodity and kicked to the curb if they can't come up with enough green paper. Early in life, I used to be proud to be Canadian. Then I became mostly grateful. Thinking about this issue, I am reminded that I feel both towards Canada. People up here try to be nice. We continue to try to make our health care system better. And guess what? We've got a pretty damned good health care system after all these years, thank you very much.

Props to the Kiwis for tweaking the concept further. This isn't a contest. It's about the betterment of taxpaying citizens who spend the majority of their working lives running an economy that becomes increasingly skewed in favor of the rich with each passing days.

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New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 731 Jock 03-Dec-18 08:22
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 113 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 17:45
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 Jock 03-Dec-18 18:18
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 94 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:13
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 100 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 03:42
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 99 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:51
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 94 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 04:00
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 98 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 04:10
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 106 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 18:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 98 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 19:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 149 Warwick 03-Dec-18 19:58
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 96 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:03
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 100 eli stills 03-Dec-18 22:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 100 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 00:26
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:05
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 93 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:24
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 91 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 86 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 120 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 22:19
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 132 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:32
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 143 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 03:36
More Adequate Disinformation! 90 eli stills 05-Dec-18 04:02
Just stupidity 89 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Just stupidity 74 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:49
Re: Just stupidity 84 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:00
And Even More stupidity 84 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 14:30
Re: And Even More stupidity 93 eli stills 06-Dec-18 19:35
Your Imitating Yourself 82 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 20:26
Re: Your Imitating Yourself 103 eli stills 06-Dec-18 23:20
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 97 Audrey 07-Dec-18 03:09
Ah More Ignorance 122 adequatedane 07-Dec-18 12:07
Re: Ah More Ignorance 145 muppedo 10-Dec-18 00:00
Re: Ah More Ignorance 94 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:36
Re: Ah More Ignorance 84 eli stills 11-Dec-18 18:32
Re: Ah More Ignorance 88 Warwick 11-Dec-18 20:06
Ah More BS and Lies 82 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 21:13
let's put it another way 84 Warwick 11-Dec-18 21:23
Re: Ah More BS and Lies 147 eli stills 11-Dec-18 22:29
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 152 Thunderbird 11-Dec-18 17:27
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 82 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 168 Jock 03-Dec-18 20:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 140 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:07
The links to both study and review 159 drrayeye 03-Dec-18 21:21
Re: The links to both study and review 83 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 03:06
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 102 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 23:07
You're proving Mike right 92 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:24
Re: You're proving Mike right 89 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 00:39
Re: You're proving Mike right 92 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 106 muppedo 03-Dec-18 23:25
Read the report 90 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:28
Two major issues 107 Race Jackson 04-Dec-18 00:08
Re: Two major issues 100 muppedo 04-Dec-18 00:17
Re: Two major issues 83 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:22
Re: Two major issues 97 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 02:31
Re: Two major issues 85 eli stills 04-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Two major issues 87 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:35
Re: Two major issues 82 eli stills 04-Dec-18 04:38
Re: Two major issues 97 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 03:47
Re: Two major issues 88 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:58
Re: Two major issues 84 eli stills 04-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Two major issues 90 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 18:59
Re: Two major issues 84 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:09
Re: Two major issues 80 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 22:15
Amen brother 79 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Two major issues 75 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 20:33
As Suspected the Plan has Problems. Who Would of Thought? 92 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 04:23
Haven't read it--have you 96 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 05:18
Re: Haven't read it--have you 87 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 12:48
Is the Comic Book Version Better? 80 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 15:39
Ray Your a Trip 86 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 14:59
Re: Haven't read it--have you 86 Jock 04-Dec-18 17:45
Re: Haven't read it--have you 80 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 18:31
Re: Haven't read it--have you 103 muppedo 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 82 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 89 Aine 05-Dec-18 01:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 89 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:55
Re: Haven't read it--have you 85 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 02:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 110 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:15
Re: Haven't read it--have you 98 muppedo 09-Dec-18 20:14
Can we Trust Doctors... 88 cladking 04-Dec-18 17:00
Can we trust Trumpers 92 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 19:06
Re: Can we trust Trumpers 86 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 90 Warwick 04-Dec-18 19:36
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 130 solaremp 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 85 cladking 05-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 142 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:18
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 156 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:44
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 161 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:48
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 82 cladking 09-Dec-18 16:49
Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 91 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 85 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:22
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 87 Warwick 04-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 88 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:37
Haven't read the report either--have you 94 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 20:43
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 95 Sirfiroth 05-Dec-18 14:11
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 82 Warwick 05-Dec-18 15:07
Mike has your number 84 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:07
Re: Mike has your number 90 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:57
Re: Mike has your number 88 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:07
Re: Mike has your number 91 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 02:19
I don't give a damn! 96 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 03:44
Re: I don't give a damn! 87 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:03
LOL 84 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 14:19
Re: Mike has your number 94 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:13
It doesn't register, does it? 88 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 18:26
Scriiieetcchhhh!!! 98 Warwick 06-Dec-18 18:35
LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 85 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:03
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 100 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 19:08
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 91 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:11


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