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Hi Jock

Our medical system isn't perfect, of course. What macro national program actually is? If anyone cares to compile a list of American ones that work flawlessly, I'd love to see it. For the far right homers, who will likely say that such entities are flawed because of government's involvement, show us a large business that functions perfectly. Listen very carefully then, to the voices who mock the efforts of countries that proactively seek to adequately protect ALL of their citizens, rather than only the rich. Invariably, they will return to the line of BS, which essentially entails looking for flaws in a healthcare system, when they know that no large entity is ever perfect. What's the point? There is none and the people parroting such noise know it. They persist because they are not interested in truth, only self-serving politicking.

Try living outside of the USA for an extended period of time, and you will see how vacuous the USA's debate over this issue is. It is astonishingly backward and heartless policy, relatively speaking, especially when one considers that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. What a national disgrace.

Obama's attempt to rectify this situation was one of the most laudable things I can ever remember coming out of US macro policy. However, the moment when I saw how he intended to do it, I figured it was destined to fail. You CANNOT monetize health and leave national health policy up to the whims of the free market. The only way to do this, is to nationalize health care. You can't compromise with the Devil, which in this case is greed personified.

Give US citizen full universal coverage once, and he/she will never give it up.

From the time of Adam Smith,the principal justification of free enterprise has been that it distributes wealth to society as a whole. Other developed nations recognized, decades ago, that this concept can translate to health for all.

What I can say, speaking as somebody who is American and Canadian, and has lived in both countries for many years, is that the peace of mind in this country because of medical care makes this service far, far beyond 'pretty good'. It is FANTASTIC, compared to what's going on south of the 49th, where citizens are basically treated as a commodity and kicked to the curb if they can't come up with enough green paper. Early in life, I used to be proud to be Canadian. Then I became mostly grateful. Thinking about this issue, I am reminded that I feel both towards Canada. People up here try to be nice. We continue to try to make our health care system better. And guess what? We've got a pretty damned good health care system after all these years, thank you very much.

Props to the Kiwis for tweaking the concept further. This isn't a contest. It's about the betterment of taxpaying citizens who spend the majority of their working lives running an economy that becomes increasingly skewed in favor of the rich with each passing days.

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New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 700 Jock 03-Dec-18 08:22
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 107 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 17:45
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 97 Jock 03-Dec-18 18:18
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 88 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:13
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 95 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 03:42
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 93 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:51
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 90 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 04:00
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 92 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 04:10
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 18:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 94 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 19:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 139 Warwick 03-Dec-18 19:58
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 91 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:03
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 95 eli stills 03-Dec-18 22:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 96 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 00:26
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 90 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:05
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 89 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:24
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 86 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 82 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 111 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 22:19
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 124 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:32
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 128 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 03:36
More Adequate Disinformation! 86 eli stills 05-Dec-18 04:02
Just stupidity 85 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Just stupidity 70 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:49
Re: Just stupidity 79 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:00
And Even More stupidity 80 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 14:30
Re: And Even More stupidity 83 eli stills 06-Dec-18 19:35
Your Imitating Yourself 77 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 20:26
Re: Your Imitating Yourself 95 eli stills 06-Dec-18 23:20
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 93 Audrey 07-Dec-18 03:09
Ah More Ignorance 111 adequatedane 07-Dec-18 12:07
Re: Ah More Ignorance 132 muppedo 10-Dec-18 00:00
Re: Ah More Ignorance 78 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:36
Re: Ah More Ignorance 79 eli stills 11-Dec-18 18:32
Re: Ah More Ignorance 77 Warwick 11-Dec-18 20:06
Ah More BS and Lies 76 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 21:13
let's put it another way 80 Warwick 11-Dec-18 21:23
Re: Ah More BS and Lies 141 eli stills 11-Dec-18 22:29
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 136 Thunderbird 11-Dec-18 17:27
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 77 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 137 Jock 03-Dec-18 20:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 126 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:07
The links to both study and review 150 drrayeye 03-Dec-18 21:21
Re: The links to both study and review 77 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 03:06
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 98 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 23:07
You're proving Mike right 88 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:24
Re: You're proving Mike right 84 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 00:39
Re: You're proving Mike right 88 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 96 muppedo 03-Dec-18 23:25
Read the report 86 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:28
Two major issues 103 Race Jackson 04-Dec-18 00:08
Re: Two major issues 90 muppedo 04-Dec-18 00:17
Re: Two major issues 79 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:22
Re: Two major issues 92 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 02:31
Re: Two major issues 80 eli stills 04-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Two major issues 83 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:35
Re: Two major issues 78 eli stills 04-Dec-18 04:38
Re: Two major issues 93 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 03:47
Re: Two major issues 84 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:58
Re: Two major issues 80 eli stills 04-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Two major issues 86 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 18:59
Re: Two major issues 78 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:09
Re: Two major issues 75 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 22:15
Amen brother 74 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Two major issues 70 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 20:33
As Suspected the Plan has Problems. Who Would of Thought? 88 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 04:23
Haven't read it--have you 92 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 05:18
Re: Haven't read it--have you 82 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 12:48
Is the Comic Book Version Better? 76 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 15:39
Ray Your a Trip 81 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 14:59
Re: Haven't read it--have you 81 Jock 04-Dec-18 17:45
Re: Haven't read it--have you 75 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 18:31
Re: Haven't read it--have you 94 muppedo 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 78 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 85 Aine 05-Dec-18 01:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 84 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:55
Re: Haven't read it--have you 80 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 02:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 105 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:15
Re: Haven't read it--have you 89 muppedo 09-Dec-18 20:14
Can we Trust Doctors... 85 cladking 04-Dec-18 17:00
Can we trust Trumpers 86 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 19:06
Re: Can we trust Trumpers 80 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 86 Warwick 04-Dec-18 19:36
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 116 solaremp 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 81 cladking 05-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 125 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:18
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 147 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:44
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 140 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:48
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 77 cladking 09-Dec-18 16:49
Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 87 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 80 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:22
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 82 Warwick 04-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 85 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:37
Haven't read the report either--have you 89 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 20:43
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 90 Sirfiroth 05-Dec-18 14:11
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 77 Warwick 05-Dec-18 15:07
Mike has your number 79 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:07
Re: Mike has your number 85 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:57
Re: Mike has your number 78 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:07
Re: Mike has your number 78 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 02:19
I don't give a damn! 91 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 03:44
Re: I don't give a damn! 82 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:03
LOL 80 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 14:19
Re: Mike has your number 90 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:13
It doesn't register, does it? 83 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 18:26
Scriiieetcchhhh!!! 86 Warwick 06-Dec-18 18:35
LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 81 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:03
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 89 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 19:08
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 87 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:11


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