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Hi Jock

Our medical system isn't perfect, of course. What macro national program actually is? If anyone cares to compile a list of American ones that work flawlessly, I'd love to see it. For the far right homers, who will likely say that such entities are flawed because of government's involvement, show us a large business that functions perfectly. Listen very carefully then, to the voices who mock the efforts of countries that proactively seek to adequately protect ALL of their citizens, rather than only the rich. Invariably, they will return to the line of BS, which essentially entails looking for flaws in a healthcare system, when they know that no large entity is ever perfect. What's the point? There is none and the people parroting such noise know it. They persist because they are not interested in truth, only self-serving politicking.

Try living outside of the USA for an extended period of time, and you will see how vacuous the USA's debate over this issue is. It is astonishingly backward and heartless policy, relatively speaking, especially when one considers that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. What a national disgrace.

Obama's attempt to rectify this situation was one of the most laudable things I can ever remember coming out of US macro policy. However, the moment when I saw how he intended to do it, I figured it was destined to fail. You CANNOT monetize health and leave national health policy up to the whims of the free market. The only way to do this, is to nationalize health care. You can't compromise with the Devil, which in this case is greed personified.

Give US citizen full universal coverage once, and he/she will never give it up.

From the time of Adam Smith,the principal justification of free enterprise has been that it distributes wealth to society as a whole. Other developed nations recognized, decades ago, that this concept can translate to health for all.

What I can say, speaking as somebody who is American and Canadian, and has lived in both countries for many years, is that the peace of mind in this country because of medical care makes this service far, far beyond 'pretty good'. It is FANTASTIC, compared to what's going on south of the 49th, where citizens are basically treated as a commodity and kicked to the curb if they can't come up with enough green paper. Early in life, I used to be proud to be Canadian. Then I became mostly grateful. Thinking about this issue, I am reminded that I feel both towards Canada. People up here try to be nice. We continue to try to make our health care system better. And guess what? We've got a pretty damned good health care system after all these years, thank you very much.

Props to the Kiwis for tweaking the concept further. This isn't a contest. It's about the betterment of taxpaying citizens who spend the majority of their working lives running an economy that becomes increasingly skewed in favor of the rich with each passing days.

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New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 868 Jock 03-Dec-18 08:22
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 157 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 17:45
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 148 Jock 03-Dec-18 18:18
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 144 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 17:13
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 139 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 03:42
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 149 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:51
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 138 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 04:00
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 147 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 04:10
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 150 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 18:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 142 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 19:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 222 Warwick 03-Dec-18 19:58
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 138 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:03
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 151 eli stills 03-Dec-18 22:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 148 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 00:26
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 164 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:05
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 137 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:24
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 137 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 141 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 17:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 178 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 22:19
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 183 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:32
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 224 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 03:36
More Adequate Disinformation! 136 eli stills 05-Dec-18 04:02
Just stupidity 128 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Just stupidity 123 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:49
Re: Just stupidity 147 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:00
And Even More stupidity 133 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 14:30
Re: And Even More stupidity 136 eli stills 06-Dec-18 19:35
Your Imitating Yourself 137 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 20:26
Re: Your Imitating Yourself 161 eli stills 06-Dec-18 23:20
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 136 Audrey 07-Dec-18 03:09
Ah More Ignorance 174 adequatedane 07-Dec-18 12:07
Re: Ah More Ignorance 214 muppedo 10-Dec-18 00:00
Re: Ah More Ignorance 149 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:36
Re: Ah More Ignorance 150 eli stills 11-Dec-18 18:32
Re: Ah More Ignorance 139 Warwick 11-Dec-18 20:06
Ah More BS and Lies 128 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 21:13
let's put it another way 136 Warwick 11-Dec-18 21:23
Re: Ah More BS and Lies 192 eli stills 11-Dec-18 22:29
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 227 Thunderbird 11-Dec-18 17:27
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 135 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 241 Jock 03-Dec-18 20:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 224 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:07
The links to both study and review 221 drrayeye 03-Dec-18 21:21
Re: The links to both study and review 121 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 03:06
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 142 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 23:07
You're proving Mike right 134 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:24
Re: You're proving Mike right 132 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 00:39
Re: You're proving Mike right 134 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 153 muppedo 03-Dec-18 23:25
Read the report 135 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:28
Two major issues 156 Race Jackson 04-Dec-18 00:08
Re: Two major issues 145 muppedo 04-Dec-18 00:17
Re: Two major issues 123 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:22
Re: Two major issues 140 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 02:31
Re: Two major issues 128 eli stills 04-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Two major issues 133 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:35
Re: Two major issues 138 eli stills 04-Dec-18 04:38
Re: Two major issues 136 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 03:47
Re: Two major issues 139 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:58
Re: Two major issues 127 eli stills 04-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Two major issues 130 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 18:59
Re: Two major issues 117 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:09
Re: Two major issues 125 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 22:15
Amen brother 123 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Two major issues 116 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 20:33
As Suspected the Plan has Problems. Who Would of Thought? 134 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 04:23
Haven't read it--have you 136 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 05:18
Re: Haven't read it--have you 131 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 12:48
Is the Comic Book Version Better? 125 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 15:39
Ray Your a Trip 129 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 14:59
Re: Haven't read it--have you 133 Jock 04-Dec-18 17:45
Re: Haven't read it--have you 124 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 18:31
Re: Haven't read it--have you 150 muppedo 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 127 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 129 Aine 05-Dec-18 01:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 131 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:55
Re: Haven't read it--have you 129 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 02:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 155 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:15
Re: Haven't read it--have you 143 muppedo 09-Dec-18 20:14
Can we Trust Doctors... 132 cladking 04-Dec-18 17:00
Can we trust Trumpers 139 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 19:06
Re: Can we trust Trumpers 131 PB Bytes 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 136 Warwick 04-Dec-18 19:36
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 189 solaremp 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 124 cladking 05-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 199 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:18
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 216 PB Bytes 05-Dec-18 16:44
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 221 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:48
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 118 cladking 09-Dec-18 16:49
Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 132 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 129 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:22
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 134 Warwick 04-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 135 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:37
Haven't read the report either--have you 135 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 20:43
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 138 Sirfiroth 05-Dec-18 14:11
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 125 Warwick 05-Dec-18 15:07
Mike has your number 125 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:07
Re: Mike has your number 133 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:57
Re: Mike has your number 141 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:07
Re: Mike has your number 142 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 02:19
I don't give a damn! 142 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 03:44
Re: I don't give a damn! 128 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:03
LOL 126 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 14:19
Re: Mike has your number 140 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:13
It doesn't register, does it? 129 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 18:26
Scriiieetcchhhh!!! 146 Warwick 06-Dec-18 18:35
LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 135 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:03
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 146 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 19:08
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 134 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:11


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