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Hi Jock

Our medical system isn't perfect, of course. What macro national program actually is? If anyone cares to compile a list of American ones that work flawlessly, I'd love to see it. For the far right homers, who will likely say that such entities are flawed because of government's involvement, show us a large business that functions perfectly. Listen very carefully then, to the voices who mock the efforts of countries that proactively seek to adequately protect ALL of their citizens, rather than only the rich. Invariably, they will return to the line of BS, which essentially entails looking for flaws in a healthcare system, when they know that no large entity is ever perfect. What's the point? There is none and the people parroting such noise know it. They persist because they are not interested in truth, only self-serving politicking.

Try living outside of the USA for an extended period of time, and you will see how vacuous the USA's debate over this issue is. It is astonishingly backward and heartless policy, relatively speaking, especially when one considers that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. What a national disgrace.

Obama's attempt to rectify this situation was one of the most laudable things I can ever remember coming out of US macro policy. However, the moment when I saw how he intended to do it, I figured it was destined to fail. You CANNOT monetize health and leave national health policy up to the whims of the free market. The only way to do this, is to nationalize health care. You can't compromise with the Devil, which in this case is greed personified.

Give US citizen full universal coverage once, and he/she will never give it up.

From the time of Adam Smith,the principal justification of free enterprise has been that it distributes wealth to society as a whole. Other developed nations recognized, decades ago, that this concept can translate to health for all.

What I can say, speaking as somebody who is American and Canadian, and has lived in both countries for many years, is that the peace of mind in this country because of medical care makes this service far, far beyond 'pretty good'. It is FANTASTIC, compared to what's going on south of the 49th, where citizens are basically treated as a commodity and kicked to the curb if they can't come up with enough green paper. Early in life, I used to be proud to be Canadian. Then I became mostly grateful. Thinking about this issue, I am reminded that I feel both towards Canada. People up here try to be nice. We continue to try to make our health care system better. And guess what? We've got a pretty damned good health care system after all these years, thank you very much.

Props to the Kiwis for tweaking the concept further. This isn't a contest. It's about the betterment of taxpaying citizens who spend the majority of their working lives running an economy that becomes increasingly skewed in favor of the rich with each passing days.

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New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 827 Jock 03-Dec-18 08:22
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 144 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 17:45
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 139 Jock 03-Dec-18 18:18
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 129 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:13
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 129 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 03:42
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 135 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:51
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 127 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 04:00
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 135 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 04:10
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 138 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 18:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 129 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 19:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 204 Warwick 03-Dec-18 19:58
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 127 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:03
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 141 eli stills 03-Dec-18 22:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 137 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 00:26
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 143 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:05
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 128 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:24
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 126 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 120 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 159 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 22:19
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 169 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:32
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 198 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 03:36
More Adequate Disinformation! 127 eli stills 05-Dec-18 04:02
Just stupidity 118 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Just stupidity 108 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:49
Re: Just stupidity 132 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:00
And Even More stupidity 121 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 14:30
Re: And Even More stupidity 124 eli stills 06-Dec-18 19:35
Your Imitating Yourself 121 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 20:26
Re: Your Imitating Yourself 143 eli stills 06-Dec-18 23:20
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 125 Audrey 07-Dec-18 03:09
Ah More Ignorance 158 adequatedane 07-Dec-18 12:07
Re: Ah More Ignorance 198 muppedo 10-Dec-18 00:00
Re: Ah More Ignorance 135 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:36
Re: Ah More Ignorance 134 eli stills 11-Dec-18 18:32
Re: Ah More Ignorance 126 Warwick 11-Dec-18 20:06
Ah More BS and Lies 117 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 21:13
let's put it another way 119 Warwick 11-Dec-18 21:23
Re: Ah More BS and Lies 179 eli stills 11-Dec-18 22:29
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 207 Thunderbird 11-Dec-18 17:27
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 122 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 206 Jock 03-Dec-18 20:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 179 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:07
The links to both study and review 202 drrayeye 03-Dec-18 21:21
Re: The links to both study and review 109 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 03:06
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 131 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 23:07
You're proving Mike right 123 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:24
Re: You're proving Mike right 123 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 00:39
Re: You're proving Mike right 123 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 141 muppedo 03-Dec-18 23:25
Read the report 124 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:28
Two major issues 145 Race Jackson 04-Dec-18 00:08
Re: Two major issues 135 muppedo 04-Dec-18 00:17
Re: Two major issues 111 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:22
Re: Two major issues 129 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 02:31
Re: Two major issues 116 eli stills 04-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Two major issues 123 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:35
Re: Two major issues 126 eli stills 04-Dec-18 04:38
Re: Two major issues 125 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 03:47
Re: Two major issues 125 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:58
Re: Two major issues 116 eli stills 04-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Two major issues 120 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 18:59
Re: Two major issues 104 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:09
Re: Two major issues 112 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 22:15
Amen brother 112 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Two major issues 106 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 20:33
As Suspected the Plan has Problems. Who Would of Thought? 122 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 04:23
Haven't read it--have you 126 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 05:18
Re: Haven't read it--have you 120 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 12:48
Is the Comic Book Version Better? 113 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 15:39
Ray Your a Trip 117 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 14:59
Re: Haven't read it--have you 121 Jock 04-Dec-18 17:45
Re: Haven't read it--have you 111 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 18:31
Re: Haven't read it--have you 139 muppedo 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 114 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 116 Aine 05-Dec-18 01:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 119 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:55
Re: Haven't read it--have you 118 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 02:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 142 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:15
Re: Haven't read it--have you 132 muppedo 09-Dec-18 20:14
Can we Trust Doctors... 118 cladking 04-Dec-18 17:00
Can we trust Trumpers 127 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 19:06
Re: Can we trust Trumpers 120 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 123 Warwick 04-Dec-18 19:36
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 169 solaremp 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 114 cladking 05-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 184 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:18
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 198 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:44
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 206 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:48
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 103 cladking 09-Dec-18 16:49
Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 121 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 116 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:22
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 120 Warwick 04-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 123 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:37
Haven't read the report either--have you 124 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 20:43
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 125 Sirfiroth 05-Dec-18 14:11
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 112 Warwick 05-Dec-18 15:07
Mike has your number 114 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:07
Re: Mike has your number 124 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:57
Re: Mike has your number 126 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:07
Re: Mike has your number 131 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 02:19
I don't give a damn! 127 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 03:44
Re: I don't give a damn! 118 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:03
LOL 115 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 14:19
Re: Mike has your number 126 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:13
It doesn't register, does it? 119 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 18:26
Scriiieetcchhhh!!! 133 Warwick 06-Dec-18 18:35
LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 121 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:03
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 133 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 19:08
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 122 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:11


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