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Hi Jock

Our medical system isn't perfect, of course. What macro national program actually is? If anyone cares to compile a list of American ones that work flawlessly, I'd love to see it. For the far right homers, who will likely say that such entities are flawed because of government's involvement, show us a large business that functions perfectly. Listen very carefully then, to the voices who mock the efforts of countries that proactively seek to adequately protect ALL of their citizens, rather than only the rich. Invariably, they will return to the line of BS, which essentially entails looking for flaws in a healthcare system, when they know that no large entity is ever perfect. What's the point? There is none and the people parroting such noise know it. They persist because they are not interested in truth, only self-serving politicking.

Try living outside of the USA for an extended period of time, and you will see how vacuous the USA's debate over this issue is. It is astonishingly backward and heartless policy, relatively speaking, especially when one considers that the USA is the wealthiest country in the world. What a national disgrace.

Obama's attempt to rectify this situation was one of the most laudable things I can ever remember coming out of US macro policy. However, the moment when I saw how he intended to do it, I figured it was destined to fail. You CANNOT monetize health and leave national health policy up to the whims of the free market. The only way to do this, is to nationalize health care. You can't compromise with the Devil, which in this case is greed personified.

Give US citizen full universal coverage once, and he/she will never give it up.

From the time of Adam Smith,the principal justification of free enterprise has been that it distributes wealth to society as a whole. Other developed nations recognized, decades ago, that this concept can translate to health for all.

What I can say, speaking as somebody who is American and Canadian, and has lived in both countries for many years, is that the peace of mind in this country because of medical care makes this service far, far beyond 'pretty good'. It is FANTASTIC, compared to what's going on south of the 49th, where citizens are basically treated as a commodity and kicked to the curb if they can't come up with enough green paper. Early in life, I used to be proud to be Canadian. Then I became mostly grateful. Thinking about this issue, I am reminded that I feel both towards Canada. People up here try to be nice. We continue to try to make our health care system better. And guess what? We've got a pretty damned good health care system after all these years, thank you very much.

Props to the Kiwis for tweaking the concept further. This isn't a contest. It's about the betterment of taxpaying citizens who spend the majority of their working lives running an economy that becomes increasingly skewed in favor of the rich with each passing days.

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New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 746 Jock 03-Dec-18 08:22
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 115 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 17:45
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 103 Jock 03-Dec-18 18:18
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 97 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:13
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 03:42
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:51
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 95 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 04:00
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 102 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 04:10
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 109 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 18:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 19:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 163 Warwick 03-Dec-18 19:58
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:03
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 102 eli stills 03-Dec-18 22:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 104 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 00:26
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 101 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:05
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 96 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:24
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 95 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 90 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 17:37
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 124 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 22:19
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 133 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:32
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 150 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 03:36
More Adequate Disinformation! 94 eli stills 05-Dec-18 04:02
Just stupidity 91 adequatedane 05-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Just stupidity 79 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:49
Re: Just stupidity 91 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:00
And Even More stupidity 88 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 14:30
Re: And Even More stupidity 95 eli stills 06-Dec-18 19:35
Your Imitating Yourself 83 adequatedane 06-Dec-18 20:26
Re: Your Imitating Yourself 108 eli stills 06-Dec-18 23:20
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 99 Audrey 07-Dec-18 03:09
Ah More Ignorance 125 adequatedane 07-Dec-18 12:07
Re: Ah More Ignorance 151 muppedo 10-Dec-18 00:00
Re: Ah More Ignorance 98 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:36
Re: Ah More Ignorance 88 eli stills 11-Dec-18 18:32
Re: Ah More Ignorance 91 Warwick 11-Dec-18 20:06
Ah More BS and Lies 86 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 21:13
let's put it another way 87 Warwick 11-Dec-18 21:23
Re: Ah More BS and Lies 149 eli stills 11-Dec-18 22:29
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 158 Thunderbird 11-Dec-18 17:27
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 84 adequatedane 11-Dec-18 17:40
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 172 Jock 03-Dec-18 20:52
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 145 adequatedane 03-Dec-18 21:07
The links to both study and review 163 drrayeye 03-Dec-18 21:21
Re: The links to both study and review 85 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 03:06
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 103 ldennyjr 03-Dec-18 23:07
You're proving Mike right 94 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:24
Re: You're proving Mike right 90 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 00:39
Re: You're proving Mike right 95 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 15:47
Re: New Study Shows Medicare for All Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years 110 muppedo 03-Dec-18 23:25
Read the report 93 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 00:28
Two major issues 111 Race Jackson 04-Dec-18 00:08
Re: Two major issues 104 muppedo 04-Dec-18 00:17
Re: Two major issues 85 eli stills 04-Dec-18 02:22
Re: Two major issues 98 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 02:31
Re: Two major issues 86 eli stills 04-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Two major issues 89 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:35
Re: Two major issues 85 eli stills 04-Dec-18 04:38
Re: Two major issues 102 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 03:47
Re: Two major issues 91 Brian Patterson 04-Dec-18 03:58
Re: Two major issues 87 eli stills 04-Dec-18 05:01
Re: Two major issues 93 ldennyjr 04-Dec-18 18:59
Re: Two major issues 86 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:09
Re: Two major issues 82 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 22:15
Amen brother 80 eli stills 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Two major issues 78 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 20:33
As Suspected the Plan has Problems. Who Would of Thought? 94 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 04:23
Haven't read it--have you 97 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 05:18
Re: Haven't read it--have you 89 WhoWeird 04-Dec-18 12:48
Is the Comic Book Version Better? 84 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 15:39
Ray Your a Trip 87 adequatedane 04-Dec-18 14:59
Re: Haven't read it--have you 87 Jock 04-Dec-18 17:45
Re: Haven't read it--have you 82 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 18:31
Re: Haven't read it--have you 104 muppedo 04-Dec-18 23:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 85 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 90 Aine 05-Dec-18 01:46
Re: Haven't read it--have you 91 eli stills 05-Dec-18 01:55
Re: Haven't read it--have you 86 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 02:13
Re: Haven't read it--have you 112 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:15
Re: Haven't read it--have you 99 muppedo 09-Dec-18 20:14
Can we Trust Doctors... 90 cladking 04-Dec-18 17:00
Can we trust Trumpers 93 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 19:06
Re: Can we trust Trumpers 87 Poster Boy 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 92 Warwick 04-Dec-18 19:36
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 135 solaremp 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 86 cladking 05-Dec-18 03:11
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 146 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:18
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 159 Poster Boy 05-Dec-18 16:44
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 169 Aine 05-Dec-18 16:48
Re: Can we Trust Doctors... 84 cladking 09-Dec-18 16:49
Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 92 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 19:41
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 88 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:22
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 90 Warwick 04-Dec-18 20:29
Re: Realities of Liberal Medicare for All Plan! 90 eli stills 04-Dec-18 20:37
Haven't read the report either--have you 94 drrayeye 04-Dec-18 20:43
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 97 Sirfiroth 05-Dec-18 14:11
Re: Haven't read the report either--have you 83 Warwick 05-Dec-18 15:07
Mike has your number 85 drrayeye 05-Dec-18 15:07
Re: Mike has your number 92 WhoWeird 05-Dec-18 23:57
Re: Mike has your number 92 eli stills 06-Dec-18 02:07
Re: Mike has your number 95 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 02:19
I don't give a damn! 98 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 03:44
Re: I don't give a damn! 88 Jock 06-Dec-18 07:03
LOL 87 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 14:19
Re: Mike has your number 98 Warwick 06-Dec-18 17:13
It doesn't register, does it? 88 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 18:26
Scriiieetcchhhh!!! 100 Warwick 06-Dec-18 18:35
LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 88 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:03
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 101 WhoWeird 06-Dec-18 19:08
Re: LOL, It still doesn't register, does it? 93 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 19:11


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