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drrayeye Wrote:
> Kristin,
> Law enforcement officers are never instructed to
> "take someone out."

Actually, at Ruby Ridge, they were. It was insane, but that's what the orders were.

You've been watching too many
> movies or playing video games.

I don't play video games.

Guns are drawn or
> used by law enforcement officers at all levels in
> defense--to defer violence.

Well, they're not doing a very good job of it then, are they?

Guns incite violence, they don't deter or defer it. Also, drawing your weapon when the other person is unarmed or doesn't have an equal level of force is enough to land you in jail on criminal charges whether you shoot it or not. And yet we see cops routinely killing unarmed people.

There is no reason to pull a gun on an unarmed person. None.

I was always taught by my father--military, remember--that you NEVER draw your weapon unless you're going to use it. And when you shoot, you shoot to kill. Not to wound--to kill. If you're not prepared to do that, then you have no business having a gun to begin with. Once you pull that trigger, the damage you inflict is totally on you and you cannot take it back or change it.

Something most of the guns nuts on the board truly have never thought through. They act like killing another human being is just a walk in the park and they'd never think twice about it.

Strategies are
> carefully constructed so that one can face a judge
> in a courtroom. A law enforcement officer caused
> fatality is always a failure--unfortunate and
> costly in many ways.

Riight...that's why there are so many officer caused deaths these days, and they DO get past the judges on a regular basis. If you can legally shoot an unarmed child in cold blood, you can do anything and get away with it, court or no court. That's why people are so upset.

> Brian #3's analysis, overall, is on the mark.

Since when have you become an expert in law enforcement strategy? Oh, wait, let me guess. You teach that, too.

Needless to say, I don't agree. The only thing that's keeping these nuts alive is that fact that as of this moment no one wants them dead.

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Oregon Yeehawdists 1999 Loki74 03-Jan-16 23:52
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 428 Aine 04-Jan-16 00:30
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 404 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 461 Aine 04-Jan-16 17:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 373 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:53
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 437 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 413 Jergat 04-Jan-16 18:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 482 Aine 04-Jan-16 20:57
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 349 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 14:43
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 489 Aine 05-Jan-16 15:48
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 447 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:05
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 426 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:22
They were tried twice 420 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:35
Re: They were tried twice 375 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:48
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 393 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-16 17:00
History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 431 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 16:28
Re: History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 453 Aine 06-Jan-16 18:00
What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 468 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 01:58
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 455 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:24
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 399 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:19
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 434 Aine 08-Jan-16 17:24
Thread split 665 Loki74 04-Jan-16 06:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 442 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 17:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 429 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 265 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 427 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 18:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 372 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 482 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 20:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 462 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 404 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 359 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 382 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 445 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:43
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 381 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:14
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 350 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:04
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 427 calisurfer30 05-Jan-16 03:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 316 Aine 05-Jan-16 14:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 448 calisurfer30 06-Jan-16 01:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 402 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 411 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:23
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 480 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:29
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 506 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 308 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:38
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 482 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:45
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 392 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 439 poster72 04-Jan-16 21:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 343 Aine 05-Jan-16 01:24
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 340 poster72 05-Jan-16 19:13
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 436 Aine 05-Jan-16 19:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 386 carolb 05-Jan-16 19:50
mod note 339 JonnyMcA 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 408 poster72 05-Jan-16 20:51
A discussion about the issues in this case 380 Ratcho 08-Jan-16 20:08
Thugs 322 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 20:08
Re: Thugs 328 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:44
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 463 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 15:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 349 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 16:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 349 Aine 05-Jan-16 17:28
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 499 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 20:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 333 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 370 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 21:42
Ethics 333 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Ethics 469 Aine 06-Jan-16 20:50
taught by your father to never point a gun 518 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 01:59
Re: taught by your father to never point a gun 348 Aine 06-Jan-16 14:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 526 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 22:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 225 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 345 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 356 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 21:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 457 carolb 06-Jan-16 21:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 297 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 444 Sirfiroth 06-Jan-16 23:33
Pot/Kettle moment 348 randompHactor 06-Jan-16 23:57
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 447 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 01:03
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 314 randompHactor 07-Jan-16 02:39
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 436 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 02:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 290 Aine 07-Jan-16 18:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 500 carolb 07-Jan-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 410 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 366 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 368 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:31
LIberal Yeehawdists 494 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 20:55
LIberal? 405 drrayeye 07-Jan-16 22:10
Re: Yes LIberal Federal Government. 422 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:08
LIberal 361 drrayeye 08-Jan-16 11:31
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 440 carolb 07-Jan-16 00:20
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 479 Loki74 07-Jan-16 07:30
Armed, pathetic and hungry 349 Loki74 07-Jan-16 08:22
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 394 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:51
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 447 Loki74 07-Jan-16 16:01
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 451 Aine 07-Jan-16 16:33
Putting things in perspective 407 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 405 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:30
Re: Putting things in perspective 434 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 353 Aine 07-Jan-16 21:59
Re: Putting things in perspective 430 carolb 07-Jan-16 22:36
Re: Putting things in perspective 417 Aine 08-Jan-16 01:33
Re: Putting things in perspective 477 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:09
By all means lets not let facts get in the way 411 Lothur 09-Jan-16 16:54
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 418 carolb 09-Jan-16 17:20
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 388 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:51
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 527 carolb 09-Jan-16 19:41
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 519 Lothur 11-Jan-16 00:40
Personally..... 427 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 454 adequatedane 08-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 346 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 370 adequatedane 09-Jan-16 18:55
Let's take a look at the person behind the appeal 433 Ratcho 10-Jan-16 16:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 506 Lothur 10-Jan-16 22:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 397 adequatedane 10-Jan-16 22:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 465 D-Archer 10-Jan-16 10:45
Spot the special forces wannabes 348 Loki74 10-Jan-16 17:02
Hilarious narrative Andy! 490 Sirfiroth 10-Jan-16 23:46
Re: Hilarious narrative Andy! 442 Loki74 11-Jan-16 09:01
Re: Hilarious narrative II Andy! 469 Sirfiroth 11-Jan-16 16:10
Lookit me, Ma! I's in Delta! 334 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:38
Get lost buddy! I's a SEAL! 322 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:42
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 413 bobj 21-Feb-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 522 Aine 22-Feb-16 00:41
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 329 calisurfer30 24-Feb-16 01:50
Re: Sherriff's uprising ...defending one of their own against the Fed's 346 Ratcho 23-Feb-16 21:06

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