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drrayeye Wrote:
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> Kristin,
>
> Law enforcement officers are never instructed to
> "take someone out."

Actually, at Ruby Ridge, they were. It was insane, but that's what the orders were.

You've been watching too many
> movies or playing video games.

I don't play video games.

Guns are drawn or
> used by law enforcement officers at all levels in
> defense--to defer violence.

Well, they're not doing a very good job of it then, are they?

Guns incite violence, they don't deter or defer it. Also, drawing your weapon when the other person is unarmed or doesn't have an equal level of force is enough to land you in jail on criminal charges whether you shoot it or not. And yet we see cops routinely killing unarmed people.

There is no reason to pull a gun on an unarmed person. None.

I was always taught by my father--military, remember--that you NEVER draw your weapon unless you're going to use it. And when you shoot, you shoot to kill. Not to wound--to kill. If you're not prepared to do that, then you have no business having a gun to begin with. Once you pull that trigger, the damage you inflict is totally on you and you cannot take it back or change it.

Something most of the guns nuts on the board truly have never thought through. They act like killing another human being is just a walk in the park and they'd never think twice about it.

Strategies are
> carefully constructed so that one can face a judge
> in a courtroom. A law enforcement officer caused
> fatality is always a failure--unfortunate and
> costly in many ways.

Riight...that's why there are so many officer caused deaths these days, and they DO get past the judges on a regular basis. If you can legally shoot an unarmed child in cold blood, you can do anything and get away with it, court or no court. That's why people are so upset.

> Brian #3's analysis, overall, is on the mark.

Since when have you become an expert in law enforcement strategy? Oh, wait, let me guess. You teach that, too.

Needless to say, I don't agree. The only thing that's keeping these nuts alive is that fact that as of this moment no one wants them dead.

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Oregon Yeehawdists 1965 Loki74 03-Jan-16 23:52
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 408 Aine 04-Jan-16 00:30
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 386 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 443 Aine 04-Jan-16 17:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 354 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:53
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 419 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 396 Jergat 04-Jan-16 18:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 462 Aine 04-Jan-16 20:57
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 334 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 14:43
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 474 Aine 05-Jan-16 15:48
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 431 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:05
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 407 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:22
They were tried twice 390 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:35
Re: They were tried twice 360 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:48
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 374 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-16 17:00
History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 407 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 16:28
Re: History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 436 Aine 06-Jan-16 18:00
What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 442 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 01:58
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 438 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:24
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 374 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:19
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 403 Aine 08-Jan-16 17:24
Thread split 643 Loki74 04-Jan-16 06:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 404 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 17:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 413 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 249 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 405 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 18:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 356 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 465 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 20:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 429 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 368 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 341 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 365 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 426 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:43
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 361 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:14
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 332 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:04
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 401 calisurfer30 05-Jan-16 03:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 298 Aine 05-Jan-16 14:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 404 calisurfer30 06-Jan-16 01:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 381 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 395 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:23
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 460 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:29
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 487 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 290 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:38
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 460 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:45
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 373 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 416 poster72 04-Jan-16 21:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 326 Aine 05-Jan-16 01:24
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 325 poster72 05-Jan-16 19:13
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 417 Aine 05-Jan-16 19:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 372 carolb 05-Jan-16 19:50
mod note 325 JonnyMcA 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 381 poster72 05-Jan-16 20:51
A discussion about the issues in this case 363 Ratcho 08-Jan-16 20:08
Thugs 308 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 20:08
Re: Thugs 306 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:44
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 438 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 15:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 331 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 16:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 332 Aine 05-Jan-16 17:28
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 20:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 318 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 350 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 21:42
Ethics 301 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Ethics 439 Aine 06-Jan-16 20:50
taught by your father to never point a gun 501 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 01:59
Re: taught by your father to never point a gun 329 Aine 06-Jan-16 14:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 509 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 22:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 210 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 328 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 322 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 21:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 441 carolb 06-Jan-16 21:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 273 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 428 Sirfiroth 06-Jan-16 23:33
Pot/Kettle moment 327 randompHactor 06-Jan-16 23:57
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 424 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 01:03
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 296 randompHactor 07-Jan-16 02:39
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 417 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 02:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 273 Aine 07-Jan-16 18:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 468 carolb 07-Jan-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 350 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 347 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 350 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:31
LIberal Yeehawdists 477 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 20:55
LIberal? 384 drrayeye 07-Jan-16 22:10
Re: Yes LIberal Federal Government. 399 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:08
LIberal 342 drrayeye 08-Jan-16 11:31
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 426 carolb 07-Jan-16 00:20
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 441 Loki74 07-Jan-16 07:30
Armed, pathetic and hungry 331 Loki74 07-Jan-16 08:22
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 380 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:51
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 429 Loki74 07-Jan-16 16:01
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 437 Aine 07-Jan-16 16:33
Putting things in perspective 391 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 370 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:30
Re: Putting things in perspective 417 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 329 Aine 07-Jan-16 21:59
Re: Putting things in perspective 405 carolb 07-Jan-16 22:36
Re: Putting things in perspective 402 Aine 08-Jan-16 01:33
Re: Putting things in perspective 460 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:09
By all means lets not let facts get in the way 393 Lothur 09-Jan-16 16:54
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 401 carolb 09-Jan-16 17:20
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 355 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:51
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 507 carolb 09-Jan-16 19:41
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 501 Lothur 11-Jan-16 00:40
Personally..... 397 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 431 adequatedane 08-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 323 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 351 adequatedane 09-Jan-16 18:55
Let's take a look at the person behind the appeal 394 Ratcho 10-Jan-16 16:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 473 Lothur 10-Jan-16 22:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 376 adequatedane 10-Jan-16 22:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 449 D-Archer 10-Jan-16 10:45
Spot the special forces wannabes 333 Loki74 10-Jan-16 17:02
Hilarious narrative Andy! 475 Sirfiroth 10-Jan-16 23:46
Re: Hilarious narrative Andy! 426 Loki74 11-Jan-16 09:01
Re: Hilarious narrative II Andy! 454 Sirfiroth 11-Jan-16 16:10
Lookit me, Ma! I's in Delta! 314 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:38
Get lost buddy! I's a SEAL! 294 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:42
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 375 bobj 21-Feb-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 483 Aine 22-Feb-16 00:41
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 314 calisurfer30 24-Feb-16 01:50
Re: Sherriff's uprising ...defending one of their own against the Fed's 327 Ratcho 23-Feb-16 21:06


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