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drrayeye Wrote:
> Kristin,
> Law enforcement officers are never instructed to
> "take someone out."

Actually, at Ruby Ridge, they were. It was insane, but that's what the orders were.

You've been watching too many
> movies or playing video games.

I don't play video games.

Guns are drawn or
> used by law enforcement officers at all levels in
> defense--to defer violence.

Well, they're not doing a very good job of it then, are they?

Guns incite violence, they don't deter or defer it. Also, drawing your weapon when the other person is unarmed or doesn't have an equal level of force is enough to land you in jail on criminal charges whether you shoot it or not. And yet we see cops routinely killing unarmed people.

There is no reason to pull a gun on an unarmed person. None.

I was always taught by my father--military, remember--that you NEVER draw your weapon unless you're going to use it. And when you shoot, you shoot to kill. Not to wound--to kill. If you're not prepared to do that, then you have no business having a gun to begin with. Once you pull that trigger, the damage you inflict is totally on you and you cannot take it back or change it.

Something most of the guns nuts on the board truly have never thought through. They act like killing another human being is just a walk in the park and they'd never think twice about it.

Strategies are
> carefully constructed so that one can face a judge
> in a courtroom. A law enforcement officer caused
> fatality is always a failure--unfortunate and
> costly in many ways.

Riight...that's why there are so many officer caused deaths these days, and they DO get past the judges on a regular basis. If you can legally shoot an unarmed child in cold blood, you can do anything and get away with it, court or no court. That's why people are so upset.

> Brian #3's analysis, overall, is on the mark.

Since when have you become an expert in law enforcement strategy? Oh, wait, let me guess. You teach that, too.

Needless to say, I don't agree. The only thing that's keeping these nuts alive is that fact that as of this moment no one wants them dead.

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Oregon Yeehawdists 2113 Loki74 03-Jan-16 23:52
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 472 Aine 04-Jan-16 00:30
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 450 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 501 Aine 04-Jan-16 17:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 415 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:53
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 489 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 Jergat 04-Jan-16 18:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 524 Aine 04-Jan-16 20:57
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 393 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 14:43
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 541 Aine 05-Jan-16 15:48
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 497 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:05
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 473 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:22
They were tried twice 461 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:35
Re: They were tried twice 413 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:48
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 431 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-16 17:00
History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 484 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 16:28
Re: History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 493 Aine 06-Jan-16 18:00
What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 514 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 01:58
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 497 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:24
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 438 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:19
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 484 Aine 08-Jan-16 17:24
Thread split 716 Loki74 04-Jan-16 06:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 487 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 17:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 476 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 311 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 482 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 18:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 441 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 559 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 20:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 511 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 454 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 403 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 426 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 489 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:43
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 427 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:14
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 393 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:04
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 513 calisurfer30 05-Jan-16 03:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 357 Aine 05-Jan-16 14:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 503 calisurfer30 06-Jan-16 01:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 447 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:23
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 530 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:29
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 563 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 353 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:38
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 527 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:45
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 434 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 489 poster72 04-Jan-16 21:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 392 Aine 05-Jan-16 01:24
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 391 poster72 05-Jan-16 19:13
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 480 Aine 05-Jan-16 19:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 426 carolb 05-Jan-16 19:50
mod note 381 JonnyMcA 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 poster72 05-Jan-16 20:51
A discussion about the issues in this case 427 Ratcho 08-Jan-16 20:08
Thugs 374 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 20:08
Re: Thugs 373 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:44
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 534 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 15:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 392 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 16:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 395 Aine 05-Jan-16 17:28
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 543 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 20:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 378 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 411 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 21:42
Ethics 376 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Ethics 513 Aine 06-Jan-16 20:50
taught by your father to never point a gun 557 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 01:59
Re: taught by your father to never point a gun 392 Aine 06-Jan-16 14:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 577 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 22:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 271 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 386 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 401 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 21:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 500 carolb 06-Jan-16 21:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 340 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 487 Sirfiroth 06-Jan-16 23:33
Pot/Kettle moment 396 randompHactor 06-Jan-16 23:57
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 493 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 01:03
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 356 randompHactor 07-Jan-16 02:39
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 483 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 02:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 336 Aine 07-Jan-16 18:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 559 carolb 07-Jan-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 460 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 410 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 413 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:31
LIberal Yeehawdists 539 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 20:55
LIberal? 447 drrayeye 07-Jan-16 22:10
Re: Yes LIberal Federal Government. 469 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:08
LIberal 400 drrayeye 08-Jan-16 11:31
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 479 carolb 07-Jan-16 00:20
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 523 Loki74 07-Jan-16 07:30
Armed, pathetic and hungry 388 Loki74 07-Jan-16 08:22
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 434 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:51
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 491 Loki74 07-Jan-16 16:01
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 490 Aine 07-Jan-16 16:33
Putting things in perspective 457 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 450 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:30
Re: Putting things in perspective 483 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 399 Aine 07-Jan-16 21:59
Re: Putting things in perspective 469 carolb 07-Jan-16 22:36
Re: Putting things in perspective 465 Aine 08-Jan-16 01:33
Re: Putting things in perspective 527 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:09
By all means lets not let facts get in the way 462 Lothur 09-Jan-16 16:54
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 473 carolb 09-Jan-16 17:20
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 443 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:51
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 570 carolb 09-Jan-16 19:41
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 581 Lothur 11-Jan-16 00:40
Personally..... 471 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 498 adequatedane 08-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 399 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 419 adequatedane 09-Jan-16 18:55
Let's take a look at the person behind the appeal 499 Ratcho 10-Jan-16 16:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 562 Lothur 10-Jan-16 22:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 437 adequatedane 10-Jan-16 22:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 512 D-Archer 10-Jan-16 10:45
Spot the special forces wannabes 395 Loki74 10-Jan-16 17:02
Hilarious narrative Andy! 532 Sirfiroth 10-Jan-16 23:46
Re: Hilarious narrative Andy! 482 Loki74 11-Jan-16 09:01
Re: Hilarious narrative II Andy! 539 Sirfiroth 11-Jan-16 16:10
Lookit me, Ma! I's in Delta! 411 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:38
Get lost buddy! I's a SEAL! 362 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:42
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 458 bobj 21-Feb-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 573 Aine 22-Feb-16 00:41
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 374 calisurfer30 24-Feb-16 01:50
Re: Sherriff's uprising ...defending one of their own against the Fed's 390 Ratcho 23-Feb-16 21:06

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