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Brian Patterson Wrote:
> Aine posted:
> "Did you not read what I wrote?"
> "Quote
> "These clowns can protest--peacefully.
> That's within their rights. But once you
> start waving guns around, it's no longer peaceful.
> Peaceful would have been a sit in or some such."
> Who is waving guns around?

They have guns. That's waving guns around. If it were truly peaceful, they'd have left the guns at home.

Ryan Bundy has said he's willing to kill...and be killed. That's a threat.

> You posted:
> "Which is UTTERLY irrelevant.
> They are armed and openly threatening
> law enforcement officers WHILE ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING
> A FEDERAL BUILDING. I can't believe I even have to
> explain
> this to you."
> I have not seen anyone
> threaten law enforcement, but
> I have not been watching the news today.

See above.
> When I was watching it yesterday,
> there was no law enforcement on the scene.

So law enforcement has to actually be present for them to be threatened?
> You posted:
> "Let me lay it out for you. People
> like these nuts are dangerous.
> Anarchy is not a good thing--but if you
> think they're in the right, Have Gun Will Travel,
> why don't you go and join them?"
> I simply think they are
> protesting. Possibly with good reason.


Tell me, what started all this?

> Anarchy? Join them?

Go for it. Have fun and good luck.

> You posted:
> "I also don't take very kindly
> to their sympathizers calling for my
> death simply because I am a federal employee.
> So yeah, I want them taken out before they get
> me."
> I have seen no one call for your
> death. At least you admit you want them killed.

You must not be on Facebook. There are some real loony toons...and they're egging these nutjobs on.

> From your first post on this thread.
> "They're terrorists. Everyone but the media gets
> that.
> I hope the FBI takes them out."
> Before the facts were or are in, you wanted them
> killed.

There is no excuse for forcibly seizing federal (read: public) property and holding it hostage. That usually ends badly for the perpetrators. They're criminals and should be treated as such.
> You posted:

> "Is that plain enough for you?
> They have no right to threaten me or
> anyone else who is employed by ANY government
> agency, be it federal, state or local or law
> enforcement
> at any level. That is terrorism."
> You haven't been threatened by them.
> You are simply being overly dramatic to
> make a point that has no basis in reality.

A threat on one is a threat on all. Federal employees are killed while performing their duties more than you'd think, and now we have people openly threatening open season on social media. I really wish I was making this up and being dramatic, but in light of what happened in San Bernadino, I'm not.

> You posted:
> "I am using reason and logic and the
> rule of law. It's not my fault if you don't
> want to hear it."
> I disagree.
> I posted:
> "But for some reason, and
> maybe I am simply reading this
> incorrectly, you seem to be almost
> hysterical in your rants concerning the
> events in Oregon."
> Your response:
> "Because I am sick of these
> types of people. They're insane
> and they're just as dangerous as ISIS."
> You are entitled to your opinion,
> but so far, they haven't attacked anyone,
> cut off anyone's head live on television, murdered
> Christians, Shia, Yazidis, and anyone else who
> doesn't
> conform to their religious ideology. So, no.
> Another hysterical rant.

You don't have to do any of those things to be crazy. Taking over a government building just hoping they kill you so you can start an armed insurrection against the government isn't sane. I'm sure you can see that.
> You posted:
> "At least be honest with yourself:
> if they were not white rednecks--if they
> were black, Latino or Arab Muslim--they'd be
> dead already and you'd be questioning what took
> the G men so long to get them."
> No, Aine, I am not a racist. That is simply
> your projection onto people who disagree with you,
> in an effort to dehumanize them, and make you seem
> "almost" reasonable.

I never said you were a racist. I said to be honest with yourself.
> You posted:
> "And in other news, Tamir Rice is still dead."
> Yes, shot to death by police.
> The same police you would have go
> in and kill the protestors in Oregon.

The difference is that Rice was a 12 year old boy with a toy gun running around a park and couldn't defend himself...and he was killed in seconds. These are grown men with real weapons also running around a park and no one shoots them.

Oh, the irony.
> But that is irrelevant.
> You are simply posting hysterically.


> You posted:
> "They are not protesters.
> They are terrorists and should
> be dealt with as such. They believe the federal
> government is illegitimate and is not allowed to
> own
> land even though that land is held by the American
> people.
> They will never attempt to settle their issues
> legally in court
> because, of course, the courts have no authority
> either because the
> United States of America doesn't exist. In their
> fantasy world, taking land,
> rights and property by any means necessary,
> including armed sedition, is acceptable.
> It's also okay to threaten police and law
> enforcement who are attempting to do just that:
> enforce the law".
> Aine, you are simply misinformed.
> No one is threatening police. No one is
> trying to take over the government. No one is
> trying to kill you. No one is saying The United
> States
> of America doesn't exist. What they are protesting
> is what
> they consider to be an over reach of their federal
> government.

Here's what Cliven Bundy actually said, Brian. Please pay attention. He said that he does not recognize the authority of the federal government, only that of the state of Nevada. But Nevada directly contradicts him. LOL It's funny, really. He has a pre-Civil War view of sovereignty and states rights. :smacks forehead:

In 1995 one of the ranchers bombed the US Forestry Service. Did you know that? Oh, but they're peaceful, yeah, sure.

But let's play "what if" for just a minute. EVEN IF the feds "seized" the land illegally, that still doesn't mean the ranchers own it. Because most of it was taken illegally from the Native Americans. So, even if the feds gave up the land and returned it to their rightful owners, the ranchers are still SOL because it was never their land to begin with. I don't know what they're complaining about. If a private entity owned that land, they'd be paying $20 or $30 a head for grazing rights. BLM charges them $3 per head...and they're STILL not satisfied. They want FREE use of land that a private entity would charge them big bucks for.

> You posted:
> "This is what right wing hysteria does to
> people."
> I wouldn't know. On this thread
> the only hysteria I see is coming from the left.

The hypocrisy is laughable. As I said upthread, if this were a group of Black Panthers or ISIS, you'd be screaming for their heads on a plate.

> "What do you do with them?"
> Tell them they have to leave, not kill them.

And if they don't leave? Then what?

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Oregon Yeehawdists 2113 Loki74 03-Jan-16 23:52
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 472 Aine 04-Jan-16 00:30
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 450 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 501 Aine 04-Jan-16 17:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 415 Jergat 04-Jan-16 17:53
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 489 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 Jergat 04-Jan-16 18:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 524 Aine 04-Jan-16 20:57
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 393 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 14:43
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 541 Aine 05-Jan-16 15:48
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 497 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:05
Re: easy to tell you have no idea of the facts 473 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:22
They were tried twice 461 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 16:35
Re: They were tried twice 413 Aine 05-Jan-16 16:48
Re: Call it terrorism when their white...a social movement when their black? 431 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-16 17:00
History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 484 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 16:28
Re: History repeats itself...only last time it was Eric Holder? 493 Aine 06-Jan-16 18:00
What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 514 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 01:58
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 497 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:24
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 438 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:19
Re: What difference does it make (think Hillary ;) ) 484 Aine 08-Jan-16 17:24
Thread split 716 Loki74 04-Jan-16 06:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 487 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 17:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 476 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:03
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 311 Aine 04-Jan-16 18:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 482 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 18:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 441 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 559 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-16 20:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 511 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 454 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 403 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 426 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 18:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 489 carolb 04-Jan-16 18:43
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 427 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:14
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 393 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:04
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 513 calisurfer30 05-Jan-16 03:35
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 357 Aine 05-Jan-16 14:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 504 calisurfer30 06-Jan-16 01:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 447 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:21
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:23
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 530 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:29
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 563 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 353 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:38
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 527 Brian Patterson 04-Jan-16 19:45
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 434 Aine 04-Jan-16 19:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 489 poster72 04-Jan-16 21:55
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 392 Aine 05-Jan-16 01:24
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 391 poster72 05-Jan-16 19:13
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 480 Aine 05-Jan-16 19:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 426 carolb 05-Jan-16 19:50
mod note 381 JonnyMcA 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 453 poster72 05-Jan-16 20:51
A discussion about the issues in this case 427 Ratcho 08-Jan-16 20:08
Thugs 374 Ratcho 05-Jan-16 20:08
Re: Thugs 373 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:44
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 534 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 15:32
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 392 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 16:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 395 Aine 05-Jan-16 17:28
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 543 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 20:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 379 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:27
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 411 ldennyjr 05-Jan-16 21:42
Ethics 376 drrayeye 05-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Ethics 513 Aine 06-Jan-16 20:50
taught by your father to never point a gun 557 Ratcho 06-Jan-16 01:59
Re: taught by your father to never point a gun 392 Aine 06-Jan-16 14:56
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 577 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 22:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 271 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 18:49
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 386 Aine 05-Jan-16 20:05
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 401 Brian Patterson 05-Jan-16 21:58
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 500 carolb 06-Jan-16 21:40
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 340 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:19
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 487 Sirfiroth 06-Jan-16 23:33
Pot/Kettle moment 396 randompHactor 06-Jan-16 23:57
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 493 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 01:03
Re: Pot/Kettle moment 356 randompHactor 07-Jan-16 02:39
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 483 Ratcho 07-Jan-16 02:07
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 336 Aine 07-Jan-16 18:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 559 carolb 07-Jan-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 460 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:33
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 410 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:26
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 413 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:31
LIberal Yeehawdists 539 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 20:55
LIberal? 447 drrayeye 07-Jan-16 22:10
Re: Yes LIberal Federal Government. 469 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:08
LIberal 400 drrayeye 08-Jan-16 11:31
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 479 carolb 07-Jan-16 00:20
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 523 Loki74 07-Jan-16 07:30
Armed, pathetic and hungry 388 Loki74 07-Jan-16 08:22
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 434 Aine 07-Jan-16 12:51
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 491 Loki74 07-Jan-16 16:01
Re: Armed, pathetic and hungry 490 Aine 07-Jan-16 16:33
Putting things in perspective 457 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 19:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 450 Aine 07-Jan-16 19:30
Re: Putting things in perspective 483 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-16 21:19
Re: Putting things in perspective 399 Aine 07-Jan-16 21:59
Re: Putting things in perspective 469 carolb 07-Jan-16 22:36
Re: Putting things in perspective 465 Aine 08-Jan-16 01:33
Re: Putting things in perspective 527 Sirfiroth 08-Jan-16 02:09
By all means lets not let facts get in the way 462 Lothur 09-Jan-16 16:54
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 473 carolb 09-Jan-16 17:20
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 443 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:51
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 570 carolb 09-Jan-16 19:41
Re: By all means lets not let facts get in the way 581 Lothur 11-Jan-16 00:40
Personally..... 471 calisurfer30 08-Jan-16 02:25
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 498 adequatedane 08-Jan-16 22:09
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 399 Lothur 09-Jan-16 17:54
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 419 adequatedane 09-Jan-16 18:55
Let's take a look at the person behind the appeal 499 Ratcho 10-Jan-16 16:18
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 562 Lothur 10-Jan-16 22:16
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 437 adequatedane 10-Jan-16 22:37
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 512 D-Archer 10-Jan-16 10:45
Spot the special forces wannabes 395 Loki74 10-Jan-16 17:02
Hilarious narrative Andy! 533 Sirfiroth 10-Jan-16 23:46
Re: Hilarious narrative Andy! 482 Loki74 11-Jan-16 09:01
Re: Hilarious narrative II Andy! 539 Sirfiroth 11-Jan-16 16:10
Lookit me, Ma! I's in Delta! 411 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:38
Get lost buddy! I's a SEAL! 362 Loki74 11-Jan-16 13:42
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 458 bobj 21-Feb-16 19:08
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 573 Aine 22-Feb-16 00:41
Re: Oregon Yeehawdists 374 calisurfer30 24-Feb-16 01:50
Re: Sherriff's uprising ...defending one of their own against the Fed's 390 Ratcho 23-Feb-16 21:06

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