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While I understand your point I suggest you read the enlistment papers that are signed. You are the property of the government. You are given no choice about the danger you are put in nor who you are expected to kill. And while, at the moment, service is voluntary it has often not been. Thus innocence is still the issue isn't it?

I would argue that having a standing military flies in the face of one of the purposes of 2A. We were to be have the rights of arms to protect ourselves. Not just from criminals or tyrannical governments but also from outside aggressors. Having a full time standing military has led to both a perversion of our country's founding values and a loss of understanding within our own population. We the people have been conned into believing others will always protect us and our leaders will not abuse the power of our service in times of conflict.

Our military has been used and abused for decades to promote an economic empire across the globe. I have yet to read any thing in the writings of the founders suggesting this was a national goal.

The 2A was for our defense. As individuals as communities and as a country.

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Gun massacre blues 1718 Loki74 02-Oct-15 16:51
Re: Gun massacre blues 538 Aine 02-Oct-15 18:24
Re: Gun massacre blues 386 Loki74 02-Oct-15 18:51
Re: Gun massacre blues 723 carolb 03-Oct-15 00:48
You're right but some still make it... 599 Buck 45 02-Oct-15 19:49
Re: Gun massacre blues 545 Sirfiroth 02-Oct-15 19:58
Re: Gun massacre blues 442 Aine 02-Oct-15 20:17
Re: Gun massacre blues 444 Sirfiroth 02-Oct-15 21:07
Signs, signs, everywhere a sign 487 eli stills 02-Oct-15 22:26
Re: Gun massacre blues 339 Aine 02-Oct-15 22:52
Re: Gun massacre blues 372 Sirfiroth 03-Oct-15 00:08
Re: Gun massacre blues 445 Aine 03-Oct-15 00:52
Re: Gun massacre blues 476 laughin 05-Oct-15 00:11
Re: Gun massacre blues 455 carolb 03-Oct-15 00:50
Re: Gun massacre blues 409 ldennyjr 02-Oct-15 20:35
Re: Gun massacre blues 396 eli stills 02-Oct-15 22:08
Re: Gun massacre blues 479 Aine 02-Oct-15 22:53
Because of "thoughts" like these... 415 Buck 45 03-Oct-15 03:31
Re: Because of "thoughts" like these... 538 eli stills 03-Oct-15 16:59
A starting line 432 Buck 45 04-Oct-15 04:05
Re: A starting line 479 eli stills 04-Oct-15 16:49
Would've preferred you answered the questions 363 Buck 45 04-Oct-15 18:21
Re: Would've preferred you answered the questions 451 eli stills 04-Oct-15 21:19
We're almost there... almost 436 Buck 45 05-Oct-15 01:46
Re: We're almost there... almost 431 laughin 05-Oct-15 01:57
Some sugar, some spice 264 Buck 45 05-Oct-15 21:57
Re: Would've preferred you answered the questions 381 Sirfiroth 05-Oct-15 05:50
immigration may be the problem 358 laughin 03-Oct-15 12:12
Re: immigration may be the problem 368 Loki74 03-Oct-15 12:26
Re: immigration may be the problem 371 Aine 03-Oct-15 12:40
Re: immigration may be the problem 404 Sirfiroth 03-Oct-15 13:16
Re: immigration may be the problem 508 Aine 03-Oct-15 14:04
Re: immigration may be the problem 482 Sirfiroth 03-Oct-15 14:27
Re: immigration may be the problem 650 Aine 03-Oct-15 14:35
Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 471 Loki74 03-Oct-15 12:34
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 532 carolb 03-Oct-15 13:50
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 352 Aine 03-Oct-15 14:20
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 426 Loki74 03-Oct-15 14:31
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 337 carolb 03-Oct-15 15:49
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 375 carolb 03-Oct-15 18:05
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 417 Sirfiroth 03-Oct-15 14:15
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 394 Aine 03-Oct-15 14:23
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 439 Sirfiroth 03-Oct-15 16:51
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 328 Aine 03-Oct-15 17:07
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 405 Sirfiroth 03-Oct-15 18:48
"Possible?" How about, not in the slightest 438 Buck 45 03-Oct-15 17:16
Re: "Possible?" How about, not in the slightest 308 Loki74 04-Oct-15 13:18
Re: "Possible?" How about, not in the slightest 450 carolb 04-Oct-15 15:55
You mean, the math problem? 325 Buck 45 05-Oct-15 22:30
The real Tombstone? 449 Buck 45 04-Oct-15 18:40
Re: Eight (possible) ways to curb gun massacres in the US 378 laughin 03-Oct-15 23:47
Re: Gun massacre blues 314 ldennyjr 03-Oct-15 20:29
Re: Gun massacre blues 395 muppedo 04-Oct-15 00:12
Re: Gun massacre blues 434 Aine 04-Oct-15 01:53
Re: Gun massacre blues 579 carolb 04-Oct-15 13:23
Re: Gun massacre blues 402 Aine 06-Oct-15 13:05
Re: Gun massacre blues 400 carolb 06-Oct-15 15:05
Re: Gun massacre blues 323 Aine 06-Oct-15 15:28
Re: Gun massacre blues 471 carolb 06-Oct-15 16:11
YES! Give slander instead of answers! 292 Buck 45 06-Oct-15 16:24
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 456 Aine 06-Oct-15 16:37
Uh, did you even read what you wrote?!? 426 Buck 45 06-Oct-15 17:24
Re: Uh, did you even read what you wrote?!? 426 Aine 06-Oct-15 21:05
Re: Uh, did you even read what you wrote?!? 282 calisurfer30 08-Oct-15 02:22
Re: Uh, did you even read what you wrote?!? 456 eli stills 06-Oct-15 21:51
What does that word even mean?! I don't know but its provacative! 482 Buck 45 06-Oct-15 23:26
Re: What does that word even mean?! I don't know but its provacative! 327 eli stills 07-Oct-15 02:06
Didn't reach first, base... 467 Buck 45 07-Oct-15 04:42
Re: What does that word even mean?! I don't know but its provacative! 372 Sirfiroth 07-Oct-15 13:06
Re: What does that word even mean?! I don't know but its provacative! 323 calisurfer30 08-Oct-15 02:28
Re: What does that word even mean?! I don't know but its provacative! 311 Aine 08-Oct-15 12:40
It's not for them... 366 Buck 45 08-Oct-15 15:28
Re: It's not for them... 245 calisurfer30 09-Oct-15 00:15
Re: It's not for them... 361 Sirfiroth 09-Oct-15 02:24
Re: It's not for them... 384 Aine 09-Oct-15 18:31
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 344 laughin 06-Oct-15 18:13
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 370 carolb 06-Oct-15 20:04
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 315 Aine 06-Oct-15 20:58
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 400 carolb 06-Oct-15 21:01
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 282 Aine 06-Oct-15 21:06
Re: YES! Give slander instead of answers! 360 carolb 06-Oct-15 21:12
Obama going to Roseburg. 331 Sirfiroth 07-Oct-15 14:31
Re: Obama going to Roseburg. 332 eli stills 07-Oct-15 14:49
Re: Obama going to Roseburg. 303 calisurfer30 08-Oct-15 02:45
Re: Gun massacre blues 354 Sirfiroth 06-Oct-15 16:35
Mindset 351 muppedo 09-Oct-15 23:23
This whole debate is absurd 276 Lothur 10-Oct-15 16:25
Re: This whole debate is absurd 342 eli stills 10-Oct-15 17:59
A Civics failure 343 Buck 45 10-Oct-15 19:10
Re: This whole debate is absurd 427 Lothur 10-Oct-15 19:36
Almost... 249 Buck 45 10-Oct-15 19:28
Re: Almost... 363 Lothur 10-Oct-15 19:58
Re: Almost... 344 Eddie Larry 10-Oct-15 23:21
Re: Almost... 374 Sirfiroth 11-Oct-15 00:48
Their purpose 350 Buck 45 11-Oct-15 03:26
Re: Almost... 255 Eddie Larry 11-Oct-15 14:14
Re: Almost... 305 carolb 11-Oct-15 15:11
Lies, lies, everywhere the lies... 280 Buck 45 11-Oct-15 19:42
Re: Gun massacre blues 307 Brian Patterson 10-Oct-15 19:03
Re: Gun massacre blues 373 eli stills 10-Oct-15 20:02
Re: Gun massacre blues 268 calisurfer30 14-Oct-15 01:51
Re: Gun massacre blues 327 eli stills 14-Oct-15 02:24
Re: Gun massacre blues 316 calisurfer30 15-Oct-15 00:48
Re: Gun massacre blues 265 eli stills 15-Oct-15 02:27
Re: Gun massacre blues 409 calisurfer30 16-Oct-15 01:31


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