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> The importance of secrecy must surely have
> originated at least partially (but perhaps
> totally) from a fear of the consequences of
> heretical teachings.

Undoubtedly true. I also think the cryptological methods developed by the Templars, for their banking system, must have played a significant part. It may have been a time of 'intellectual warfare'. The history of codes and ciphers is a constant back and forth between the cipher makers and the de-crypters. The Code Book by Simon Singh, is a good read. Singh acknowledges that the known history of codes, is just that....the known history. In all likelihood, the best codes have remained unidentified.


> Today, the fear would be that
> of vilification and ridicule rather than sticks
> and stones. To oblige someone to go through a
> series of uncomfortable initiations would have
> ensured they were sincere in their desire to gain
> whatever knowledge and that they wouldn't go
> blabbing in public. In later times, it was more
> likely a pleasant sense of superiority over the
> ignorant masses.

True. But I feel that is probably only one level of security. Do you think there are hidden degrees in Freemasonry? I'm not as knowledgeable on the subject as I'd like to be, difficult to know where to get reliable information.

>Is there a learned sage sitting at
> the top of one of those rickety old (snakes and)
> ladders here on Earth who has the ability to point
> the way to an ultimate truth?

Probably not, but the view from up there will be great.

Does anyone have a
> name? A rhetorical question, of course, when we're
> still puzzling about William Shakespeare, subject
> of Sean's OP. That subject gives on to so many
> others that it's difficult to maintain the focus.

Ya, sorry about that, I haven't made an effort to keep this topic on point, it all fascinates me.


> I watched Audrey Waugh’s video on John Dee. His
> choices for the ‘Monas Hieroglyphica’ cover
> are very interesting. Greek monos, meaning
> ‘alone’ is source of the ‘monk’, a figure
> of great interest in my research into Hermes. The
> ‘nos’ comes from NUZ, the egg, shown by Dee
> surrounding the central symbols. Sumerian MUNUZ is
> one phonetic form of SAL, triangular symbol of the
> vulva and all things feminine.

Very interesting

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