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Sean, there are many Shakespeares and Homers and Bacons in each generation; a handful find the resources necessary to leave a legacy. On culture and counter-cult, see my three posts on oracles here;
Culture and counter-cult, war and oracles of the dead
There is some trickster in all of us, and we all feel drawn to secret orders.
Amerindian, Mexican and South American myth have as many archetypal characters as Europe or Asia. I cite several recognised myths by their Aarne-Thomson-Uther (ATU) catalogue numbers, and give their archetypal numbers and labels, in three articles.
I agree with "varying and shifting objectives, influences, importance." Everyone is a member of several overlapping tribes; nation, ethnic, generation, skills, interests, etc. There is a pirate in all of us, and we all need to belong. Some cult groups make a fine art of recruitment. Just add people.
Regarding "Many of these historical mysteries share so many similarities it's difficult not to see some commonality," if you ignore the styling, names and language (which is also styling using arbitrary sounds), the core meaning in culture and nature is identical. Archetype is the source of all commonalities; camouflaged by the few imitated and borrowed elements on top. The reason they are borrowed, is because they are instinctively recognised. Culture is perpetually re-invented in the archetypal mold. I was fortunate to find the core character features, sequence, spatial structure, and quirky rules that reveal just how rigorous subconscious behaviour is.
Yes, Plantard and les secret society boys were "just the latest in a long line," but "tricksters" is a broad term, and for Plantard is too generous. He was a self-aggrandiser, probably psychopath.
See the list of the twelve basic types within archetype, in Part III of the Oracle articles; there are differences between Builder /Ruiner, Priest, Healer, etc. Artists such as Poussin are usually not healers (the trance dance theory or rock art is wrong). Shakespare instinctively understood character types and paraded them on stage.
The mysteries you list are not connected, except as outcomes of the same motivations in human nature.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 18-Oct-19 17:14 by Edmond.

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