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> Hi,I've been thinking about this since I read it
> this morning.Before I forget, Britannia / Athena
> Pallas makes a point of her headgear always being
> referred to as the Corinthian Helmet. and
> Corinthians in the bible is important to
> Freemasons. The dream Bottom has in Midsummer
> Nights Dream is based on Paul's letter to the
> Corinthians.

I'll have to read up on Corinthians. Any ideas as to why the Author/s would be using that motif?


> Anyway, as I said before I was told at school that
> Shakespeare was probably some kind of
> actor/manager. We had Oxbridge teachers back then
> so they knew their subjects. That is how I have
> thought of him.I remember looking at the copies of
> playbills where he appeared as an actor.

This may not actually be the case. The documentary evidence does show him to be a shareholder of the Globe theatre (10% i believe), and that does suggest that he was an actor as most of the other shareholders were. But given what else we know about this guy and the shady dealings around the plays, it's wise to take even this with a large grain of salt.

To the best of my knowledge, Shakespeare is only listed as an actor in two publications (I could be wrong and I will look into it and post what I find) Shakespeares First Folio of 1623, and Ben Jonsons Folio of 1616. Of course anything and everything in the First Folio is suspect. And Jonson is up to his neck in this business.

The Jonson Folio is really interesting. Shakespeare is named as an actor in Every man out of his Humor ,performed in 1598, and Sejanus a few years later. So for starters these listings are printed 18 to 15 years after the performances. And even longer in the case of the WS First Folio. There is also a fascinating parody of the stratford man in Every man out of his Humor. Around this time (1598), Shakesper was acquiring a coat of arms, famously with the phrase "non sans droict"
Translated as - Not without right
Which shows that these guys, at the very least, had a sense of humor. Many Shakespeare websites completely avoid mentioning this translation.
So, in Every Man, Jonson, has a character named Sogliardo.

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The character Sogliardo, who Jonson includes in his general mockery of socially ambitious fools, is a country bumpkin, new to the city, who boasts of the coat of arms he has recently purchased, which, when he describes its colors, resembles a fool’s motley. Another character suggests Sogliardo should use the motto, "Not Without Mustard". This has been construed by some critics as a reference to William Shakespeare’s recently acquired coat of arms with its gold color, and its supposed motto, Non Sans Droit, which translates as "Not Without Right".

With friends like Jonson who needs enemies?

>Browsing
> while looking for clues to the meaning of the
> Tempest and I notice that his contemporaries say
> nothing about his plays being written by him. Even
> Samuel Pepys says so little.I would say that the
> Jonson poem says it all perfectly ! Ape in the
> sense of copy and Ape in the sense of plaything.
> Apes were trained to act as servants at the Royal
> Court.When you think about it plenty of the top
> paintings were started and finished by the master,
> with his pupils filling in the base. One man often
> takes the credit for all the scientific research
> done by his co-workers.

There's also the question of the Apocrypha
Could it be that these plays are the plays that Jonson is eluding to? With De Vere dying in 1604 there would have been less opportunities coming to the stratford man. Perhaps he did just as Jonson claims. He bought plays by other authors and stuck his own name on them. That would go some way to explaining Jonson's later actions.

>Maybe Jonson could not come
> right out and say it as Shakespeare had too
> powerful people around him, and other playwrights
> died in dubious circumstances.

This seems very likely. But it opens the door to other questions. Was this whole project sanctioned (and enforced) by the Monarchy? Or was it an artistic counter-culture furiously pushing England into the Renaissance?

In my view, it's almost certainly, the former.

>I also think
> Shakespeare was a chancer actor who grabbed the
> chance to be used.After all he was an ACTOR Re his
> name, on my wanderings through the years I found
> his grandfather was a Marano Jew living in London,
> called Jaco Spiro.His daughter Mariam was
> Shakespeare's mother. Ibelieve he was called
> Guilleme. Then, recently, I found an online
> article 'Was Shakespeare Jewish ?' on Ynet news
> saying the same, and his father was Jochanan and
> mother Miriam/ Maria. It says the locals changed
> Jacospiro to Shakespeare. I found another odd
> thing as well. Although Shakespeare is supposed to
> have married the pregnant Anne Hathaway, no
> records, a woman came forward to say that she had
> married him the week before in a local church and
> showed proof !? apparently it IS in a church
> register.I haven't followed this up.I also found
> an extremely funny drawing of his original
> monument showing a fat man and the legend this is
> what he did when he was 'done writing his plays'
> and said he was , from memory, a grain merchant.
> He died 2 years later.
> So using the Jonson line 'from brokage becomes so
> bold a thief' I take Brokage to mean ( Brokerage)
> Moneylender, which ties in with his Grandfather
> AND Mother, both said to be Moneylenders, as not
> enough for him he is now stealing other peoples
> plays.I guess Bacon and the others just overwrote
> the plots and filled in what they wanted, hence
> the reference to 'shreds from the whole piece'.

Yes, his father was certainly a money lender. And there is quite a lot of documentary evidence that William was also involved in it. The actual archival evidence shows that he was involved in many shady dealing.

Oh poor poet ape.

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