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Hi,I've been thinking about this since I read it this morning.Before I forget, Britannia / Athena Pallas makes a point of her headgear always being referred to as the Corinthian Helmet. and Corinthians in the bible is important to Freemasons. The dream Bottom has in Midsummer Nights Dream is based on Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Anyway, as I said before I was told at school that Shakespeare was probably some kind of actor/manager. We had Oxbridge teachers back then so they knew their subjects. That is how I have thought of him.I remember looking at the copies of playbills where he appeared as an actor.Browsing while looking for clues to the meaning of the Tempest and I notice that his contemporaries say nothing about his plays being written by him. Even Samuel Pepys says so little.I would say that the Jonson poem says it all perfectly ! Ape in the sense of copy and Ape in the sense of plaything. Apes were trained to act as servants at the Royal Court.When you think about it plenty of the top paintings were started and finished by the master, with his pupils filling in the base. One man often takes the credit for all the scientific research done by his co-workers.Maybe Jonson could not come right out and say it as Shakespeare had too powerful people around him, and other playwrights died in dubious circumstances.I also think Shakespeare was a chancer actor who grabbed the chance to be used.After all he was an ACTOR Re his name, on my wanderings through the years I found his grandfather was a Marano Jew living in London, called Jaco Spiro.His daughter Mariam was Shakespeare's mother. Ibelieve he was called Guilleme. Then, recently, I found an online article 'Was Shakespeare Jewish ?' on Ynet news saying the same, and his father was Jochanan and mother Miriam/ Maria. It says the locals changed Jacospiro to Shakespeare. I found another odd thing as well. Although Shakespeare is supposed to have married the pregnant Anne Hathaway, no records, a woman came forward to say that she had married him the week before in a local church and showed proof !? apparently it IS in a church register.I haven't followed this up.I also found an extremely funny drawing of his original monument showing a fat man and the legend this is what he did when he was 'done writing his plays' and said he was , from memory, a grain merchant. He died 2 years later.
So using the Jonson line 'from brokage becomes so bold a thief' I take Brokage to mean ( Brokerage) Moneylender, which ties in with his Grandfather AND Mother, both said to be Moneylenders, as not enough for him he is now stealing other peoples plays.I guess Bacon and the others just overwrote the plots and filled in what they wanted, hence the reference to 'shreds from the whole piece'.

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