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Broker writes “I’m curious what bird represented the bird of destiny? Many
ancient cultures used the Eagle/Simurgh/Thunderbird/Vulture as a totem.
They also maintain that all life sprang form from a sacred tree. What did the
Sumerians believe?
I have ordered your last two books and I’m looking forward to reading them.”

Thank you, Broker. Sumerian SIM is most probably the origin of the Simurgh, its story giving the core of the much later Conference of the Birds, a Persian philosophical text embroidered with parables fitting the culture of its time. That’s why I find it possible to also believe that far-later authors, Shakespeare included, might have been more than inspired by such ancient texts.

BEFORE BABEL THE CRYSTAL TONGUE discusses the bird symbol SIM and also its other phonetic value NAM with their founding symbols on the ancient lexical lists; NA-AM, etc. It has the given meanings ‘determined order’, ‘will’, ‘fate’ and ‘destiny’ on ePSD. I use the same phonetic value throughout THE STORY OF SUKURRU where the bird appears numerous times as NAM. The Tree of Knowledge and Consciousness is pre-flood, apparently lost at the time of the deluge and lamented in the opening lines; not just any tree but one with unusual qualities certainly.

I can only lay out what I have found and stay within my role of relatively neutral translator. The writing makes mention of pagans and I found no ‘gods’ as we understand that word. Then again, what is the correct definition of ‘Sumerian’? I use the term because it has been imposed on that language and it’s not my role to create more confusion than already exists. Nevertheless, it's loaded with connotations that don't link in with my findings.

Madeleine

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